Dynamics between Jesus & Mary: A letter

*** This post has been updated – see end for a follow-up note from Mary ***


This is the most difficult email I have ever written as I am going to make some critical comments about AJ and Mary in the following video. These comments come from the deepest recesses of my soul and make them with love as I believe they are true.

20180403-1440 God, Religion & Atheism, ABC QandA, Dawkins & Pell

I feel this is probably one of the worst interviews I have seen. Why? Because they both appear to be a couple of angry zealots rather than two of the most amazing people I have come to know and respect.

For a couple of years I have noticed that when AJ and Mary are in the studio and Mary is the interviewer, their personality changes and they seem to be competing with each other. It appears that Mary wants to be boss and in control whilst AJ doesn’t want to appear downtrodden so responds by raising his voice. There seems to a competition between them. Whilst this is happening, the message is lost and I cant be bothered going back and find out what they are saying.

This not the AJ and Mary I have come to know and respect after watching them on video and in person at three assistance groups for eight years. I suspect they are under enormous spirit influence and the spirits are trying another way to destroy their validity and their teaching of The Way.

If I am wrong please let me know.

Kind regards



Hi J,

Thank you for your feedback.

Over the years, there has been a dynamic occurring between Jesus and I during filming in which I do become very bossy and I either compete with Jesus or try to take control of the conversation.

At those times, for me, one of the following things are happening (usually more than one at once):
– I’m quite afraid about how something we’re discussing will be received by the public, and/or
– I’m attempting to maintain some sense of facade because I feel that something about me has been exposed that I am ashamed about, and/or
– I’m being attacked by spirits about other specific fears I’m yet to release

Rather than being soft to those fears, I try to exert control over what is being said or fall into a ‘defensive’/competitive mode with Jesus. In this fear based motivation, I often want Jesus to cover the topic in the way that I think it should be discussed.

Once I become bossy, Jesus, out of his love for truth, then has to become insistent with me so that he can get across the important message. Often, afterwards I realise just how irrational I have become in my fear of exposure and desire for control. Of course, as your email highlights, my behaviour at these times is actually harmful to how God’s Truth is received.

My only correction to what you have sensed is that it isn’t that Jesus ‘doesn’t want to appear downtrodden’. Jesus has a quality, that very few people really understand, that causes him to be very un-selfconscious while teaching. Instead, he is completely focused on God’s Truth. So at the times you mention, while he is quite insistent with me, and does interject, this is because he feels that the Truth conveyed in the recording is more important than anything else.

Also, he allows this dynamic to continue at times because, as I am expressing fear-based attitudes which many people share, he feels that his correction of me often has some benefit to the audience.

Jesus and I have discussed this dynamic between us many times in private and even stopped mid-recording on occasions for me to deal with what is happening for me.

Various people in the past have sensed the dynamic but through their injuries misinterpret what is going on. I’ve found that a lot of women don’t see me as ‘bossy’ at all, they think Jesus is the one who is doing the ‘bossing’ and rudely ‘cutting me off’. A lot of men have various feelings based on how they would view what is going on in the same situation. Some feel that Jesus should pander to me, or that he is trying to defend himself. None of these things are true but it is easy to see how those misinterpretations happen given the common injuries on earth today in both genders.

At this stage both Jesus and I are still works in progress. I do apologise that at times the recordings are difficult to listen to while I am progressing. That is something I take very seriously. I am working on my humility and specifically my addiction to avoid particular fears and shame relating to my first century experience.

I know that me being in a humble state makes a huge difference to the quality of my interviewing, my comments during discussions, and makes it a pleasure for both Jesus and I to complete the recordings. I think that this year we’ve had some great examples of that but also some not-so-great days where I have definitely missed the mark.

I’ll take a look at the video in question. I know that we hadn’t done much prep for that interview, and that I was a bit stressed about the topic we were discussing. We also later realised that we hadn’t covered all of the points made by Cardinal Pell during this segment of the interview so we had already considered re recording the discussion. However Jesus did feel that some good comments were made so we let it go public. It is unlikely that we will reconsider that now, as, in a way, it is a tangible example of us both as ‘works in progress’. We don’t edit our material to present a perfect facade. In fact, the only editing that happens in our videos is to remove coughs, breaks etc.

To live in harmony with God’s Laws we must be transparent and become comfortable with being transparent in, and about, our interactions. Obviously, I am not yet as humble as I could be but I do feel it is a demonstration of both my and Jesus’ humility that we leave recordings intact when we are creating our videos.

I’m not sure what you were referring to when you mentioned ‘zealotry’ but perhaps it is also worth mentioning that both Jesus and I do have some strong feelings about how God is currently mis-represented on Earth. We are passionate about people understanding that God exists and is Loving and so we do speak very frankly about religion and atheism. (if you have read the Bible this shouldn’t surprise you, if you consider how Jesus spoke with and about Pharisees). This does not mean that we judge those with religious or atheistic beliefs. We are though very direct when elements of those belief systems harm others. To be honest, severe harm is caused to people by teachers of false beliefs. At times people misunderstand our frankness, directness and enthusiasm for the subject as judgement or a lack of compassion for others. Both Jesus and I see the need to confront widely held misconceptions about God and atheism and in doing this we will need to be very upfront about the topics. Jesus’ firmness during discussion like these does at times trigger some of the fears I mentioned above and can kick the dynamic you mentioned.

Again, I appreciate the feedback and I’m glad for the opportunity to clarify the dynamic between Jesus and I. I would like to place this exchange on my blog so that others can benefit from the exchange.

It may help you to re watch the videos you mention and to feel what exactly in our exchanges you found difficult. You could revisit the material in an effort to learn more about your emotions regarding interactions between men and women. But in particular to feel about feel strong condemnation of false belief systems.

There is a common belief on the Earth that God has a tolerance for false belief systems however when you have a strong relationship with God, you will see that God actually feels very, very strongly about false belief systems. God is actually doing everything in His Power to ensure that false belief systems are ultimately destroyed. Any person who becomes at-one with God will have a deep desire to assist in the removal of these false belief systems from the planet. This is why Jesus in the first century had a very strong condemnation of the false belief systems of the day.

Usually, people on earth want us to be what they would classify as ‘tolerant’ of everything. But in reality we cannot be tolerant of belief systems that destroy the lives of people, not only on Earth, but also for a long time in the spirit world. When one tolerates, or desires that others tolerate, damaging belief systems they are actually supporting the continuation of these systems and contributing to suffering. One doesn’t need to be violent in their opposition but firmness and directness are required if false belief systems are going to be removed from the Earth.

The more Jesus and I progress, the more you will see us becoming firmer in our discussions about belief systems than we ever have been in the past. We will be zealous in our condemnation of any belief system that has a deep and long-lasting damaging effect on humanity. When you witness personally the amount of pain of suffering in the spirit world that results directly from these belief systems, we are very sure that you too will share our attitude.

Obviously, there is a lot more we could say on the subjects of religion and atheism but we’ll leave that to the continuing video presentations on the subject.


UPDATE  27 July 2018:

After responding to J, I reviewed the Religion & Atheism videos that he had mentioned in his letter to me. While it is true that Jesus and I do, at times, have the dynamic between us that I acknowledged in my response to J, the video in question was not a good example of this.

During the Religion and Atheism sessions I found that Jesus and I were fairly harmonious in our discussion and I certainly let Jesus have his say. We were very passionate and direct about the topic and I do think that, as I mentioned to J in my response, that this is potentially very triggering for those viewing those sessions.