Jesus & Mary Photo Update: December 2022

Here I am again with another photo update.

Before I begin, Jesus and I want to send our heartfelt thanks to everyone who continues to donate in appreciation for the teachings of Divine Truth. We appreciate you very much and we continue to work on ourselves, our relationship with each other and our relationship with God, so that we can be become better and better examples of what it means to live in harmony with God’s Love, Truth and Laws.

I also want to say ‘Hi’ and thanks to those of you who send us little notes of appreciation or well wishes via the post or email. I’m sorry that we don’t have time to respond to you personally (or sometimes even to check all our emails these days) but we love you and look forward to a time when we can meet you in person for the first time or catch up with old friends.

Now onto what we did in December…


Three Saturdays of every month, Jesus continues to present material on ‘How Progress Occurs’ to the current probation volunteers, volunteers and members of God’s Way Ltd.

Eloisa Sparks leads a small team to convert our living room into a venue each Saturday.

Everyone has lunch together in the small space.

The theme for talks in December focused on seeking forgiveness from God and the workings of compensation.

Most Saturdays we also hear from a group of spirits who have questions about the material being presented.

Technical Projects

Website Upgrade

Kate and Jesus continue to work on the website upgrade each week. A lot has been achieved already. Now they are onto building the database which will allow all Divine Truth and God’s Way data to be searchable. It’s a task that is taking a lot of thinking and problem solving as they try to work out solutions for categorizing, storing, coding and then searching a wide variety of data that will expand over time.

Server Building & Repair, Internet Sharing of Divine Truth Material

As a shared in a previous update, the current methods we use to share Divine Truth teachings include live events, our website, our synchronization servers, Amazon Web Services (AWS), and videos via YouTube. To enable this sharing, we store all publicly accessible data on servers in Australia, Canada, and the USA, but only the Canadian servers currently allow public connections. The USA servers are used in the important role as a portal or an intermediate store to send and receive data securely between Australia and the rest of the world.

When Hurricane Ian impacted Florida late last year, the home of Eugene Mindel, who houses our USA servers was impacted. Thanks to donations from many of you, we were able to have the servers shipped back to Australia. They were received in December and Jesus was able to pull them apart to assess them for damage. Aside from requiring a good clean, they were still in working order which is great news.

In December, Jesus and I visited a location in Australia which may be able to offer us similar data storage and internet sharing services to that of our current Canadian and USA servers. There are various benefits to having our main data store here in Australia. Investigations are still underway. However Jesus has begun building some new servers which can be used if this option eventuates.

He has also been working on building/re configuring servers for use in our new home studio set up. These servers will run more quietly than our other serves (since they will sit in on our desk while we work and record). They will also have the capacity needed for video editing live streaming (if we are able to secure a home internet set up which will allow for live stream speeds).

Studio Clear Out

A small team of volunteers continue to work with Jesus & I on clearing out our studio ready for new audience presentations.

In December, volunteers worked on creating an inventory of all technical and ancillary equipment owned by Divine Truth Pty Ltd. I worked on some minutes and reporting needed for God’s Way Ltd.

Volunteer Management

Within the God’s Way Ltd organisation Eloisa Sparks and I manage volunteers to work on various environmental recovery projects.

Toward the end of the year, upon Jesus’ suggestion, we implemented a new work flow for Saturday volunteers. Each Saturday volunteer has now been assigned their own small plot of land. The volunteer is responsible for the management of invasive species on that plot as well as, in the long term, regeneration of the native environment.

In December, volunteers also worked on seeding in the terraces, removal of invasive species on all God’s Way Ltd properties, various other land recovery tasks and cleaning and maintenance tasks.


Invasive Species Management

Other Volunteer Works

Infrastructure Projects

Under Jesus’ planning and direction, works continue on completion of the Caretakers’ property owned by God’s Way Ltd.

In December, Cornelius and other volunteers worked on the pathways and landscaping around the house. Works also continued on driveway drainage and water management.

End of Year Party

At the end of each year, Jesus and I like to host a party for the people we have worked with us throughout the year in Divine Truth, God’s Way and the local community.

This year we were fortunate to have some of our volunteers step forward and say that they would like to assist with the planning and execution. Thank you to those people! Special thanks to Rahni and Phoebe who led the planning and Diane who took photographs of everyone on the day.

Along with spiritual discussions we had a few fun games. One game was to try to guess people based on their baby or childhood photos. Everyone took it pretty seriously!

Everyone looked even more beautiful than usual.

Things went on until very late/early the next morning.

And that’s all for us this month. We wish you a wonderful 2023, full of personal discovery and opening to God.

With love,

Jesus & Mary

Jesus & Mary Photo Update: October & November 2022

God’s Way Annual General Meeting

God’s Way Ltd held their annual general meeting in November. You can read the annual report on the God’s Way website soon.

Gods Way Volunteer Days

Check out our beautiful God’s Way Ltd volunteers, probation volunteers, and Jesus and I in action as managers.

Environment & Environment Projects

The local areas is looking beautiful after some lovely rainfall over the past few years combined with the environmental projects we have underway.

Divine Truth Studio & Production Work

The studio is still undergoing a major overhaul . A lot of old equipment is being cleared out, less used items are being catalogued and stored. You can also see pictures below of our new stands for sound suppression boards being put together. These stands will enable the suppression boards to be free standing at various locations around the studio when there is an audience in attendance.

Recorded Presentations

As I’ve mentioned in my previous updates, Jesus has been presenting a series of talks for participants at God’s Way Ltd Saturday volunteer days. He has been speaking on the topic of ‘How Progress Occurs’ and more recently we have been discussing a Padgett Message from Ann Rollins on the topic of forgiveness.

So that is a little of what we’ve been up to this past month or so.

Wherever you are in the world, I hope you are doing well in following your passions and desires in harmony with love and that, in response to your heart’s longings, you are feeling God’s personal and ever present love for you.

Bye for now,

Jesus & Mary

Jesus & Mary: October 2022

Welcome to another update from Jesus and I. I’ve been thinking about how to bring you more regular updates. Looking back on the blog for the past few years I have been averaging one or two updates throughout the year. The reality is Jesus and I always have so much going on that when I sit down to write it feels that I have a lot to explain. That means I have to set aside a large chunk of time to write an update.

Jesus and I always give a lot of detail in our updates, including explaining the technical ins and outs of what we do. We share this for two reasons. The first is that we always put a lot of thought and research into what we do technically so that what we create is sustainable, high quality and the best use of the donations we receive. So many people in the world have emotional blocks to technology, and thus it is easy for them to underestimate what goes into our production and also the thoroughness and care Jesus takes when planning, implementing and sharing video and audio recordings of our events. I like to share so that people can have appreciation for these efforts.

The second reason I go to some lengths to share about our technical set up is that we live in a world that is addicted to, and reliant on, technological devices and the internet for many day to day conveniences and processes. Yet, most people have no idea how any of that works.

Using but not understanding the ‘behind the scenes’ technology, effort and/or ingenuity that enable the conveniences of our modern life is a major deficit in love that causes dependency, demands, entitlement, addiction and rage. I feel it is an act of love to share the limited amount I understand with you, that way I am not furthering the injured emotions associated with humans using, but not appreciating, technology.

So, with the desire to help you appreciate the scope of what goes on ‘behind the scenes’ technologically and in other ways, I seem bound to continue writing lengthy posts (smile). However I have come up with a few ideas.

My first idea is to create a ‘photo essay’ once a month that will be a pictorial insight into our activities without too much text. Then two or three times a year I can write long updates on how our projects are progressing.

Secondly, I will create a few static pages that I can refer to during blog posts which will contain some background information on each project I reference. That way I don’t have to ‘repeat explain’ each time I write an update.

And thirdly, to help you navigate long updates, I’ll place a summary of the headings at the top of the post (see below) as jump links so that you can click on a heading and jump to that section of the post. I hope that all of this helps you to stay more connected with our activities!

Jesus & I during a small group presentation for God’s Way Ltd

In this post you will find info about:

Our Current Focus

Donations & Our Thanks
Donations from outside of Australia
Cheques from banks outside of Australia

Divine Truth Presentations, Sharing & Production
What is required to share Divine Truth
Production Team Limitations
Internet Connection Upgrade
Server Room Repairs
How Office Upgrade
Video & Audio Editing Equipment Upgrade

Website Upgrade & Software Applications

God’s Way Projects

God’s Way Events

A Personal Note

Our Current Focus

The past eight months have continued to be very busy. We feel an urgency to establish regular sharing of Divine Truth material again and we are both aware of the importance of making personal progress in our relationship with God and each other.

So while we have a lot of competing demands on our time, we have attempted to make some changes to how we use it. Over the past few years, Jesus in particular, but also myself, have spent a significant amount of time working on projects and management of the God’s Way Ltd organisation.

Aside from Eloisa, there is no one else who is really committed on a day to day level to helping God’s Way Ltd achieve its aims and so rather than see the company stagnate, Jesus (and I) have been happy to spend time assisting Eloisa and others to learn about running a company in harmony with God’s Principles. However the production and sharing of Divine Truth material with the world has suffered because of our involvement in God’s Way projects and management.

Eloisa, Jesus & I – during lunch on a busy God’s Way Ltd volunteer day

At the start of 2022, the current members of God’s Way Ltd (Jesus & I, Cornelius, Eloisa & Catherine) made the decision to cut back God’s Way Ltd activities as much as possible and focus on re-establishing the means for Jesus and I to be able to share Divine Truth material easily and regularly.

Since then Cornelius has been assisting Jesus with the various physical and technical repairs, upgrades, and requirements needed to establish a reliable internet link (more on this below), repair faulty air conditioners, and design and construct alterations in the studio which will allow for a small audience to be present during recordings.

Eloisa and I have been working on clearing out the studio so that it can be rewired for the new recording set up and have tried to take over the day to day management of God’s Way Ltd projects and volunteer days as much as possible.

Studio Clear Out & Reorganisation: Eloisa & I sort screws for various technical equipment

It feels good to be working towards our passion for sharing once again. Of course, we still managed to do a lot of other things during the months since my last update (March to October 2022). Below I’ll give you updates on everything we’ve been working on.

Our Thanks & A Note on Donations

Before I start however, Jesus and I would like to thank you for your donations. We’re glad that you find what we share to be of benefit, and that you wish to help us continue sharing information free of charge.

I know that some of you also share our vision that everyone on Earth has the chance to at least hear God’s Truth once and know of its existence. That way if they decide that they want to pursue a relationship with God they know that they can learn how to do that. Your donations go towards this common aim.

Donations from outside of Australia

On the subject of donations we do notice that around two thirds of what we receive comes from people in Australia. In some ways I understand this, in that having a personal interaction which upholds the teachings of Divine Truth is extremely impactful. It is often the difference between a person hearing words (and thinking they understand them) via the internet and the experience of feeling what those words mean when applied to day to day life and relationships. Donations often arise from a person’s gratitude at having these new understandings.

Meeting Jesus never fails to make an impact on a sincere person. It helps them to see and understand their ‘blindspots’, their façade, their arrogant self-image, their lack of self-assessment, morality and ethics, and the lack of soul understanding of what they intellectually believe they know. It heightens an understanding of what love is, and how love is lived.

Having a laugh about what it feels like to receive personal truth in the early days!

Our efforts to improve our internet connection this year will hopefully increase the opportunities for people living outside of Australia to have some of those ‘in person’ interactions albeit digitally via the internet.

We hope to use two means to do that. The first is having regular studio sessions that are available on line that anyone in the world can view as they occur, and a booking system allowing up to 30 people to attend each session in person in our studio. The second is to allow personal involvement in our interviews and public interactions.

With that in mind, it is interesting that the people who would like to see us more and to hear from us via the internet are not generally the people donating to make that possible. We are thankful to our Australian donors for helping your international peers to have more access to Divine Truth ‘in person’.

Jesus teaching in our home – “How Progress Occurs” Series

Cheques from banks outside of Australia

We can no longer receive donations via international cheque. This is because our bank in Australia will no longer process them. Thank you to everyone who has donated to us via cheque in the past. It has always been a lengthy process at the bank to deposit international funds via cheques (checks USA, 30-40 minutes each time) so I suspect that this is why Commbank in Australia has opted to no longer receive and deposit cheques from banks outside of Australia.

Divine Truth Sharing & Production

We love sharing Divine Truth. It brings us joy and it has the power to benefit others. There are still so many matters and truths that we have not had a chance to discuss with you yet.

As I mentioned in my previous post about Divine Truth servers overseas, we are working towards sharing not only new material but also to find new ways to share the material already presented.

These ‘new ways’ are all aimed at making the data already presented easier to access. They include;

  • Finding a video hosting/streaming site which can stream videos ad free and that does not respond to the complaints of a few bigoted individuals, and
  • Redesigning our website to allow for all data to be searchable, and
  • Developing our own video hosting/streaming servers so that we are not dependent on the Terms of Service from video hosting companies

All of these projects are still ongoing. Rest assured that I will update you as soon as we have these in place.

What is required in order to share Divine Truth

Sharing Divine Truth involves a number of basic steps:

  1. Attaining the development to receive truth from God and to share it in a humble manner

  2. Presenting the material to a public audience or recording it in our studio

    For a studio recording this includes regular maintenance, of camera and recording equipment, firmware updates, battery charging, set up and operation of all audio visual equipment; server updates, virtual machine updates; keeping the studio in a clean and ‘ready to use’ manner

    For a live event this involves finding a venue, managing bookings if seating is limited, set up at venue (including audio visual equipment, seating, speakers etc). All of the equipment must have software and firmware updates prior to the event, batteries must be charged etc. Following the event, everything must be packed up and transported back to Wilkesdale where equipment needs to be set up again for use in our studio

  3. Editing the audio, video, and written documents

    This takes time, concentration and dedication to high quality recordings which allow the viewer/listener to relax into the material rather than be distracted by extraneous noise or poor image quality.

    It requires some spiritual development so that the edited material is not changed in thought or suggestion from the original event.

    It also requires the maintenance of the necessary hardware (equipment and computers) required to do this work, keeping software up to date, and the studio work space clean and tidy.

  4. Uploading material onto a sharing platform

    This entails careful and methodical labeling of the files, sending it overseas for upload onto Divine Truth servers which not only serve but back up the data; the creation of thumbnails, descriptions and keywords for each presentation; care and time taken to ensure that the files are uploaded properly and are accessible to the public without comments etc.

Over the past few years, we have been without volunteers to assist in any of those steps. So, Jesus and I currently perform (or would perform) these tasks if we had the time! At the moment, 80% of our last Assistance Group remains unedited because we have been busy with other projects.

Production Team Limitations

A great limitation remains that we have no production team locally that could assist us with the set up for recordings and the post production editing and sharing of audio and video materials.

At the moment we aren’t producing any new material aside from a series of talks Jesus has been presenting to the group on God’s Way Ltd volunteer days. This series is called “How Progress Occurs” and I share more about that below. Once we have the studio back up and running however we will start regular recordings again, and potentially also live stream those events, and would benefit greatly from a small (or large) team of committed individuals who wish to assist us.

As I have written before we have a number of pre requisites for those who wish to assist:

  • Humble enough to listen and follow direct instructions
  • Approach tasks with an attitude of self responsibility
  • Able to carefully, methodically and thoroughly complete tasks
  • Personally and passionately desire to live in harmony with God’s Laws and Principles
  • Willing to be financially supported only by receiving gifts
  • Willing to live locally
  • Have good technical experience and knowledge, or can be easily taught, or desire to teach themselves

If you haven’t received a reply to your offer to help it is because the pre requirements have not been met.

In particular, if you live interstate or internationally:

  • We cannot train you in person
  • We don’t have the internet capacity to share the data over the internet that you would need to work on
  • You have most likely never received direct feedback in harmony with Divine Truth. Until you receive feedback and respond to it sincerely and humbly, there is little point training you.

So while we thank you for your offer, we cannot work with you at this time.

If you do live locally or are visiting, we require people interested in helping out in Divine Truth to first participate in a number of God’s Way Ltd volunteer days. We find that the God’s Way Ltd volunteer days help us and the participants themselves to see whether or not they meet the spiritual and emotional requirements for working on Divine Truth production.

Ideas for streaming Divine Truth video in the future

As I mentioned in my last post, once Gene has a new or repaired home, we will be sending him some new servers to replace the our USA Divine Truth servers that may have been damaged during the hurricane.

We hope the servers we send to him will also be a trial for a new video streaming service that we would like to implement so that viewers are not reliant on YouTube to watch our videos anymore.

As most of you are aware, YouTube has now started to add advertising to all our videos. We do not gain revenue from YouTube now, and do not wish in the future to gain revenue from any video streaming service, and we certainly don’t want any advertising on any of our sites.

Listening to spiritual material that is interrupted by advertising all of the time is a major impediment to learning and comprehending God’s Truth. Also, it is unethical for any individual or business to earn an income from our free provision of Divine Truth material, or truth that we present generally.

We are happy to pay for resources to share our material, but the Terms of Service (TOS) and conditions of use that all video streaming/hosting companies have, whether a paid or free service, result in many operational and ethical concerns for us.

TOS and conditions of use not only come into play when companies reserve the right to add advertising to our videos, they also impact us when complaints are received by the hosting company about Divine Truth videos. Often those complaints come from angry Christian sources, or from angry family members who do not want their relatives to be able to access our videos freely, or from people who have attended our events with the agreement that we can use their image and words forever, but who later become upset or angry with what has been said to them.

Angry complainants often attempt an internet take down of our material, which results in our having to engage a formal process with the hosting company to resolve the issue and in some cases the companies are prepared to immediately revoke our account without any due process or evidence being presented. We have noticed that very few angry complaints need to be received before companies remove accounts without any discussion or without any evidence of wrongdoing on our part.

So Jesus has been working on a video streaming system, based upon open source free software, which we can install on our servers, that would give us total control over our video streaming services. It will also allow for new servers to be added to a network of servers as streaming bandwidth requirements increase.

This video streaming system will eventually allow anyone with a Linux server to add it to the internet via a 1gbit/sec+ fixed IP connection, setup a trusted connection with our servers, and host streaming of Divine Truth videos. Using this platform we hope to set up a number of servers worldwide which communicate with each other to stream Divine Truth videos ad-free and cost-free to anyone in the world, and also allow syncing Divine Truth videos from those locations to your own local copy of Divine Truth material.

Any of you who listen to Divine Truth who have enough technical skills can also add your own server to the same network, creating a community of servers which share Divine Truth material free of charge worldwide. I will share more about this once it is all up and running.

Internet Connection Upgrade

Because editing Divine Truth recordings is time consuming and our time is limited this year we have focussed on trying to find an internet solution that would allow us to give live online presentations. This would enable us to share Truth widely without time delays entailed with editing material.

To this end Jesus has been working consistently for over a year to try and find an internet solution which will provide us with a low latency, high bandwidth internet connection.

Such a connection would allow us to:

  • complete live stream presentations
  • record and share live interviews and personal feedback sessions
  • cease rental of one of our two overseas servers currently used for data sharing (sync service etc), that is, our Canadian server which we rent for a monthly cost of $350 USD.

It would also create the potential for remote video and audio editing. That is, that raw data could remain stored here in Wilkesdale and a sincere well trained person in another location could access the data via internet link to edit Divine Truth audio and video files.

Below is a list of all of the options we have trialled in order to improve the internet connection. Until this moment, none have been satisfactory however we will continue to work on readying the studio and our home spaces for live internet interactions as Jesus seeks a long term solution.

Trials we have currently completed:


Starlink promised high speed connections via low orbiting satellites. While we had high hopes for this service unfortunately we experience intermittent drop outs in connection when using it. It is becoming more reliable, but it may be some time before it is truly so. Download speed is relatively high at around 160mbit/sec, but the very low upload speeds of around 12mbit/sec, and the unreliability, make it unsuitable for reliable live interactions via the net.

Satellite services

Our long standing internet service has been via a geosynchronous satellite connection. Up until a few years ago it was our only option since we didn’t even have any mobile phone coverage at out home. The satellite installation was provided as part of a government scheme to provide internet coverage to rural and remote areas.

The satellite connection delivers low upload speeds and there is a 700 millisecond connection latency, which results in more than 2.8 second delays in attempted conversions, and 1.2 second delays in download requests to a download occurring, and a very limited bandwidth of 150GB per month. The latency, delays, and the limited bandwidth make it unsuitable for live interactions via the net.

Local 4G Phone Tower Reception

Cornelius and Jesus have tried a number of high gain antennas in attempts to capture and improve 4G LTE reception from local phone towers, which are either a long distance away from our studio (more than 20kms), or we do not have line of sight to them.

After a lot of investigation and the purchase and trial of a number of different high gain antennas (up to 25dB), we have confirmed a number of different problems with 4G LTE services at our location. Shared bandwidth to most local towers is less than 100mbit/sec, which means that all of our local towers are saturated, and the speeds are regularly lower than 5mbit/sec on these links. This means that even if we could capture more signal neither the speed nor bandwidth could be improved.

Fortunately we were able to return some of the very expensive antennas we tried for a refund (minus a restocking fee).

Bonding Data Connections using 4G LTE

Jesus investigated the option of purchasing a number of 4G data connections and combining them into a single signal (bonding them). Bonding in this context means joining a number of individual data connections so that they behave as a single connection to receive and send data via the internet.

Since telecommunications towers locally are all saturated, we found that bonding 4G connections together with a corresponding very large increase in up front costs and annual fees results in hardly any improvement in speed.

Rent or purchase of a home with existing fibre to the premises (FTTP) connection

As all of the options thus far were looking to be quite costly we decided to investigate the possibility of renting a home in another location which had an existing fibre to the premises (FTTP) internet connection. FTTP connections offer high speed and bandwidth but in Australia they usually only exist in large town or city locations.

With this option the plan would be to travel to the rented home that has FTTP connected, and stay for 1-2 weeks per month. During that time we would share live presentations, make other recordings and upload live and edited material. We would then travel home for the remaining fortnight.

While this option had the benefit of a very fast 1gbit/sec internet connection, there were a number of major drawbacks:

  • Time wasted during travel

Nearest locations with existing fibre to the premises are in Toowoomba, Brisbane or the Sunshine Coast. On average it takes three hours, around 300km, to drive to any of these centres.

  • Time away limiting input we would have in the God’s Way Ltd organisation

Adding the travel time and the actual time spent away for recording, would mean a major change to how much we could enjoy our quiet home and oversee and participate in the activities and projects we have going on locally with God’s Way Ltd and on our own property.

  • High cost

Current real estate rental and purchase costs in Queensland are high and always increasing as many southerners are moving here following the severe restrictions and cold weather they experienced in southern states during the COVID pandemic. Rental costs for the connection, and the premises would be above $50,000 AUD per annum.

  • Studio Equipment

Studio recording and editing equipment would need to be moved between the locations, since we do not have enough funds to have a duplicate setup. This would require days of dismantling and setting up equipment, with the additional wear and tear of travel on the equipment.

Fibre, or a 1gbit/sec connection directly to our Studio

Jesus made contact and had many technical engineering discussions with a number of suppliers who offer the possibility of running fibre connections via overhead power lines, or/and carrier based radio networks (including the installation of 50 metre towers) to our studio. Running fibre overhead is cheaper than laying it in trenches as is commonly done in many parts of the country.

While for a while we were hopeful that this possibility would bear fruit, there were no local locations with existing 1gbit/sec fibre services and so the run proposed would span a distance of some 130 kilometres (80 miles) over undulating terrain making the installation costs over $1 million AUD and the recurring costs over $10,000 AUD per month.

Radio 500mbit/sec connection directly to our Studio

Jesus also investigated a private 500mbit/sec microwave carrier connection to our studio. The costs of doing this are extremely high, since we would need to install two 50 metre towers on different properties owned by God’s Way or Divine Truth, with all of the necessary communications and power requirements. The cost of doing this was also above $1 million AUD.

So, as you can see, we have no real options other than those we already have, or to create an aggregated business Starlink system which will give us no better guarantees with reliability, but potentially better upload speeds. Jesus is currently looking into this.

Of course every investigation so far has cost Jesus a lot of time, and Divine Truth quite a lot of additional funds, for no measurable benefit.

Server Room Repairs

Within the Divine Truth studio is our server room. This room has two racks which contain a total of 12 servers at the moment. Since it is very noisy, it has been sound suppressed, and air-conditioned. This houses the servers which are used to store all current Divine Truth and God’s Way data. We currently have 4 main storage servers which store 4 x 320TB copies of data. We also have 4 main VM servers, which serve our desktops. We also have over 700TB or archived data, which is stored on disks we can load individually.

So when the studio was built, to sound proof it required large amounts of materials and very few windows. It was necessary to install air conditioning both in the data storage area and in the main studio room to keep equipment cool. If equipment overheats in our hot climate, during our recording or editing sessions, it can be damaged and data will be lost.

We have had many ongoing problems with all of the air-conditioning units due to insects, frogs, and gecko lizards. Since we live in a bush setting and we encourage insect, plant and animal life, we have a great abundance insects and reptiles around us. Of course lizards like warm, and frogs like warm and wet, environments. So our air-conditioning units have been a major target as homes. The reptiles get inside the units and fry themselves and short out the circuit boards rendering the boards and air conditioning units useless in the process.

Most recently the air conditioner in the server room has required repairs. The unit was originally poorly installed (by contractors when the studio was originally built) and it has been leaking moisture and part of the wall and roof in the server room has collected water, causing damage.

So Jesus and Cornelius have designed and built shrouds to protect the air conditioners from vermin (which are a work of art), and have also reinstalled the air conditioners to prevent future problems with moisture. All up the project cost more than $20,000 without Jesus and Cornelius’ labour, but now we have a reliable air conditioning system which should last for many years, and which will not break down because of vermin.

Vermin proof shrouds designed by Jesus & built by Cornelius

Home Office/Studio Improvements

Although our well insulated two bedroom home is very small (less than 84 sqm or 904 sqft) it doubles as a living space for Jesus and I, an office, and a meeting room for up to 25 people at a time. You will see in some future videos how the space is utilized at times.

Our home normally gets very warm in the summer, usually over 38oC (100oF) inside the house during the day, and over 30oC (86oF) at night. For this reason we could not use much technology in our home office, since the workstations and video recording equipment used for streaming, recording and editing would get so hot they would close down. So Jesus and Cornelius installed an air conditioner in our home, to allow more air conditioned office space to be used so people can edit material in our home office while Jesus and I are recording in the studio.

Of course, this air conditioner also had to be protected from vermin using the same methods. All of the vermin proofing of the air conditioning units is now working very well, and the project has been very successful so far. Our server room is back up and running and we now have additional air conditioned office space in the home.

These upgrades allow us to test out a ‘lounge room studio’ set up. We want to use this space to live share and record internet calls for interviews, individual conversations, and personal feedback sessions with people around the world. This design is something we want in the living quarters of the new Function Centre development, so we wanted to setup a trial to see how it would work.

At the moment, Jesus has not completed the virtual machines part of the installation. We had to remove a window, install a new wall, install a new desk with metal frame to take the weight of the equipment, and complete re-wiring the house to get 10gbit/sec network into it, and also to turn our previous home office into a bedroom so that Jesus had somewhere to sleep when he is processing through emotions (which he is doing a lot of at the moment).

I’ll share more photos of the completed renovation in my December update.

Video & Audio Editing

As some of you may remember from a previous update, our editing of the ‘Understanding Sin & It’s Causes’ Assistance Group was halted due to problems we had with our Apple Mac computers breaking down.

We also had many other projects happening and without volunteers to assist with the editing we had many delays in getting back to the project. The audio editing work for Jesus is very tedious so he needed a break anyway!

The new Macs are now all set up with the necessary software, and Jesus is in the process of sorting out a reliable fast connection to them from our servers. When that is done, Jesus and I will be able to begin editing again. This is another job that falls on the shoulders of Jesus however and so I am not sure how much editing we shall actually get done.

I know many of you are keen to watch and listen to the Understanding Sin & Its Causes talks. We will do our best to get them to you, keeping in mind our renewed focus on love of ourselves and the importance of our personal progression.

Website Upgrade & Software Applications

Jesus and Kate continue to work on the Divine Truth website upgrade and the God’s Way Ltd website. As a reminder the new sites will include a consistent refreshed layout, look and feel. They will also offer a search function, which will be a great feature for finding topical information or answers to questions within the wealth of Divine Truth material Jesus and I have already presented.

As I’ve shared before, the aim is for the new website to be fully functional offline. This means that if you have a copy of all Divine Truth digital material and a copy of the website stored offline, the search facilities will be identical to the online copy of the website.

Jesus and Kate have had to work around security design issues with all modern browser software (Chrome, Edge, Firefox and Safari) but are now progressing with the design and implementation of the new features. When they are complete, they will be very functional, powerful tools to help your spiritual progress, and will greatly reduce the amount of emails we receive from people who cannot find information that is already on the site.

Website upgrades in progress – new search function displayed

Jesus and Kate have also been working on the design and implementation of some browser based software applications which will make the creation and presentation of new content on both the Divine Truth and God’s Way websites easy for those of us who don’t write computer code. This is an exciting development and it will reduce Jesus’ workload in future.

In addition, Jesus and Kate are working on a number of other in house applications which will assist with standardised file naming and structured folder storage. This greatly reduces in house data inconsistencies and enforces file and folder naming conventions.

God’s Way Projects

Jesus and I remain involved with all God’s Way Ltd projects. Jesus has a project manager role in almost every project. He advises in the planning, purchasing and implementation phases of every project. He was also recently appointed as a director of the board.

I currently have the following roles volunteer management and activity planning, information sharing, and the director role. In addition I plan and manage at least 5 volunteer activity days per month though this will change next month as we reduce our volunteer days to allow for more information sharing activities by current members.

Function Centre Build

Donations & Use of Donations

Thank you to everyone who has made a contribution to this project already! We have spoken to some of you privately about redirecting some these funds to pay for the new infrastructure required for us to establish a suitable internet connection for Divine Truth. The reasons for this request are:

  • We recognise that without regular sharing of God’s Truth via Divine Truth Pty Ltd, God’s Way Ltd cannot flourish.
  • Unless God’s Way Ltd grows we will not receive sufficient funds to pay for our dream Function Centre
  • Any Divine Truth internet connection would also be used by God’s Way Ltd to share information

Building Design

Jesus has continued to refine plans for our Function Centre Development. Images throughout this post display the improved design, but Jesus feels there is still much work to do with the designs to get them right.

It has been good to be in this design process for an extended period as it allows time for us to refine ideas and become very focused on what we feel is important in the proposed development.

We want to create a place that welcomes curious passers by as well as people who are already familiar with God’s Way and attending a planned event.

The latest design offers the following features:

  • An auditorium which will comfortably seat 150 people
  • Office space for administrative tasks required by God’s Way and Divine Truth organisations
  • Office space for video and audio production
  • Guest accommodation
  • Resident accommodation
  • Café/ share kitchen
  • Reception area which includes cubicles for viewing Divine Truth or God’s Way Ltd video and audio
  • 2 classroom/meeting rooms
  • Presenter ‘green room’
  • Ample storage
  • Toilet facilities, including disability toilets
  • 2 parents & children or emotional processing rooms
  • Laundry
  • Roof top area
  • Ground floor workshop

Over the past few months Jesus has also found the building method that we want to use. This method has many advantages over other methods investigated. The structural building products come from a Scandinavian company called Piekko (, and are available all around the world.

Selecting a building method and materials has been an interesting process. There is no perfect answer on Earth today; since every material has an environmental impact, and many, such as wood, have environmental impacts that are generally not considered in any assessments, but which Jesus and Cornelius always consider. One day we shall present a video about the loving use of building materials, and having a loving assessment of their impact which includes all life. The mono-cultures which produce the raw materials for today’s so-called ‘environmentally sustainable’ building products are one of the main causes of flora and fauna extinctions.

We are planning to build a hard wearing, long lasting, comfortable structure that can be used by future generations so that the impact we have will be spread across time. And our venue will be a place where people can come to learn how to love and repair the damage (spiritual, emotional and physical) that exists on the Earth today.

God’s Way Events

Sharing at Volunteer Days

The God’s Way organisation holds regular volunteer activities. Throughout any given month, probation volunteers and volunteers have the opportunity to sit with Jesus in a relaxed setting and ask questions relating to God’s Principles and how these apply to the work they are doing within God’s Way Ltd. Many hours of great discussion have been spent in this way either in our outside patio, or when that was too cold, inside our home.

Laid Back Listening to Truth

Recently I decided that the discussions were too valuable not to be shared with a wider audience and Eloisa and I have begun trying to find audio and video solutions that would enable clear recordings. We do still rely heavily on Jesus’ past training and current input and ideas to get this done. But I am hopeful that we can start to make good recordings.

Eloisa works hard to do what she can – to help in the sharing of Love and Truth

Of course the limitations to editing audio and video recordings that exist in Divine Truth also apply to God’s Way Ltd. So it is unclear when we will be able to make these discussions public. However if we can capture good recordings then when we have more volunteer editors these can be edited and shared.

Jesus presenting to volunteers in the topic ‘How Progression Occurs’

Personal Progression

Jesus and I continue to focus on our personal progression towards each other and God. I feel it is my great privilege to know the Way to connect with God and to receive Truth and Love in that process.  I wish each of you well on your exploration of the possibility of that relationship also.

Jesus is now feeling very confident that he is progressing well, and is receiving a lot of inspiration from God about how the 14 returned souls can make progress until they reach their final goal of demonstrating the soul union condition on earth, and the other goals of leading the human race into peace and harmony. He is going through a lot of physical, emotional and spiritual upheavals and expects he will continue to feel a lot of terror and fear until he makes the necessary adjustments to reach the soul union condition.

The person of Alan John Miller, or AJ as many of you know him, is disappearing into oblivion. AJ is finding that process quite emotionally difficult and distressing at times, and very physically demanding, but he also has a very strong desire to continue. Once he reflects our soul in its full sense, he feels very confident he will be able to greatly assist the others of the 14 to take similar steps much more quickly than he has been able to himself.

He makes most of his progress alone, and we have a house nearby that a friend has provided so that he can work through his emotions without interference from technology or people. He currently spends around half of his time there, and each time he returns, we have long discussions about the future, and about the process he is working through. It is impossible for me to share with you what that process is, since my own understanding of it is very limited at the moment, and Jesus does not have the time to share it while he is going through it.

Since his method of progression is what only one of the 14 who returned will need to go through, there is little reason for Jesus to share publicly what he is going through. He does not know how long this phase will take, but he is very enthusiastic about continuing it now that he has a clear understanding of the process.

As for me, for the past year I have been developing the desire to improve my mediumship abilities and embrace our soul’s nature. I feel more introspective these past six months; challenging myself to look further inward and to have the courage to bring deep seated emotions to the fore. I’ve been examining how parts of me have remained frozen in fear for all the years since I had an awakening to who I am and how much I have resisted being different. I am reflective about this significant injury in me pertaining to, not only the fear of attack, but fears of upholding love and truth in situations that are my responsibility and feeling responsible if people are uncomfortable.

I am eager to have Divine Truth begin sharing new material again and have been enthusiastic about getting the main room of the studio sorted out and ready for filming again. There are so many things to be reorganised and packed up but it has granted me the opportunity to learn more about our technical equipment (Jesus is such a wizard; he can pick up the most obscure screw or cable within in a sea of unrelated gear and immediately identify its purpose!)

I’ve enjoyed my engagement with God’s Way volunteer management. I believe strongly in the positive potentials when people come together with a desire to love, serve and be humble. God’s Way provides opportunities for everyone involved to measure their sincerity to develop or resistance to those three desires.

Volunteer Management: Cornelius discusses the loving purpose of weeds
People of all ages and backgrounds come together in God’s Way to learn about God’s Principles in action

Until next time, with our love,

Mary & Jesus

Thank you!

I have a large update coming to you later today but first, Jesus & I wanted to say a big thank you to all of you who have donated in response to our recent post about how our international servers, and volunteer Eugene, were impacted by Hurricaine Ian.

Thank you for your donations and offers of gifts to not only Eugene but to Divine Truth in order to us to assist us to reestablish our international servers.

Finally, thank you to those of you who have begun regular (or intermittent) donations to the other individuals who assist us. Your support makes a real difference.

Volunteer Impacted by Hurricane Ian

Some Background

The current methods we use to share Divine Truth teachings include live events, our website, our synchronization servers, Amazon Web Services (AWS), and videos via YouTube. To enable this sharing, we store all publicly accessible data on servers in Australia, Canada, and the USA, but only the Canadian servers currently allow public connections. The USA servers are used in the important role as a portal or an intermediate store to send and receive data securely between Australia and the rest of the world.

Some History

For nearly 5 years Gene (Eugene) Mindel in the USA has been assisting us by hosting 2 x rackmount dual CPU, 256GB RAM, 10G network, 48TB ZFS RaidZ2 servers 24×7 in his home, along with a permanent 1gbit/sec link to the internet.

Due to the large video file sizes of our Divine Truth video files, we cannot send them or upload them via the internet in Australia. Even our recently installed Starlink, our only unlimited internet connection, averages 10mbit/sec upload, and it fails completely at least 4 times per day. Jesus has examined all of the possible ways to improve this connection, and all of them we are currently unable to do (more about this in my next post).

Our minimum upload is usually 120GB at any one time, and sometimes, due to overseas server breakdown or changeovers etc, we need to upload around 4TB of data. Once God’s Way Ltd begins producing data, the upload requirements will quadruple. A 4TB upload would take 890 hours or more from our location (assuming the link did not fail). Uploads from an Australian internet connection in our location actually take much longer than physically sending via air freight a data package to Gene in the USA, and then remotely controlling the USA servers to upload the data worldwide, to our Canada server, YouTube, AWS and other services.

Jesus is able to remotely secure access the USA servers from any place in the world. Via this connection, he is able to economically upload and download data using the much higher speed and unlimited bandwidth allowances provided by internet connections in the United States.

We purchased the USA servers at our own expense (for around $30,000 USD, or $46,000 AUD total) in March 2018 (4.5 years ago) and had them sent to Gene’s home in Baltimore at the time. We also contribute to the monthly payment for the 1gbit/sec connection which our servers use at his home.

Jesus working on a server similar to the two in Eugene’s home

In 2021 Gene relocated to Florida, and eventually purchased a house in Sarasota, Florida. He continued to host the servers in each home he lived in, and in his current home, and while we haven’t uploaded new material to the internet in the past few years, Jesus continued to use the servers regularly to transfer data to us, to upload data to a replacement Canada server, and Jesus has continued to maintain the servers and keep them up to date in terms of software.

Although these servers are large, noisy and heavy, they store all of our shared public data, are very reliable, and can be remotely powered on and off (which is essential because Gene is often not home). These servers have played an essential part in our being able to share Divine Truth for free.

Hurricane Ian

At the end of September 2022 Hurricane Ian made landfall almost directly above Gene’s home in Sarasota, Florida. Gene and his partner Marina were forced to evacuate and their home suffered major structural and water damage as a large tree fell through the roof. One end of the home is relatively unscathed, but the other end, where Gene’s office and our servers were located, are damaged the most.

Gene and Marina’s clothing survived the Hurricane, but Gene’s office and the regions surrounding it, did not. They had to relocate to a motel for a few weeks until the structural damage could be assessed. Obviously since then they have been very busy, and do not know how long it will take to get their life back to normal, given the shortage of resources and workers after such a large disaster.

Their home was insured but as you can see from the photos there was a lot of damage to their house and personal possessions. At the moment he and Marina are living in motels.

If you would like to help Gene and Marina, there are a number of ways you can do so:

  • If anyone in the West Coast of Florida between Sarasota, FL and Venice, FL has a short term rental property that Gene and Marina can rent while they are waiting for the insurance situation to play out, and the house repairs to be complete, please email Gene:
  • If you would like to send any physical items, please email Eugene for a current address beforehand as his address is constantly changing at the moment.
  • If you would like to help Gene and Marina financially as they get back to normal, you can gift to them via Transferwise. Details and instructions are listed on Gene’s webpage:

Prior to Hurricane Ian making landfall, before leaving his home in a rush, Gene did his best to store and protect our servers. However due to the high amount of damage to his home they were not fully protected. Although his home was insured, our servers are not.

This is the room where the servers were. You can see the UPS in the corner. Gene was able to cover the servers under plastic before he and Marina evacuated.

So for many reasons, we have decided it is best for Gene to remove all of the drives from our servers (which are 35 x 4TB capacity, heavy and more than 6 years old) and give them away. Then he will send the servers back to us here in Wilkesdale, Queensland, Australia for Jesus to repair and repurpose to use in our racks here.

Jesus is also now building new, smaller servers which he can remote control (16 core XeonD processor, 128GB RAM, 80TB storage, video rendering) which cost around $12,000 AUD each.  We intend to send these to Gene when his life is back to normal and his home is repaired, which may take some months or longer. While we have no servers in the USA, we will be unable to upload data to the internet, unless the data sizes are small enough to do it directly using our connections in Australia.

If you would like to contribute towards the costs of air freight to have the servers sent back to Australia (this is expected to be around $3000 USD or more), towards the repairs of the servers, or towards the new server setup in Gene’s home, then you can donate to us via the ‘Divine Truth General Expenses’ option on the donations page

As always, Jesus and I are grateful for your interest in our work sharing Divine Truth with the world. We would like to thank you for your interest in supporting the volunteers who help us as well.

Next week I will write a long update on what we have been doing this year.

With our love,

Mary & Jesus

Mediumship with Gregor: Compensation in the Spirit World

During a recent informal discussion with God’s Way Ltd members, volunteers and probation volunteers we spoke with a spirit, Gregor, about his progress in the spirit world. We had been discussing with the group how Compensation operates in the spirit world.

Jesus had explained that when we enter the spirit world a record of our lives is presented to us; literally played before our eyes. This record is displayed until the workings of the Law of Compensation are fulfilled or until the person engages the repentance process (via the Law of Repentance) with God.

Photos in this post are of lunch discussions on God’s Way Ltd volunteer days. Gregor came to visit and speak during one such discussion.


Mary channels Gregor, a fifth sphere spirit who describes his progress in the spirit world.

Gregor first describes his life on Earth, his location when he first arrived in the spirit world and his personal experience when God was not involved in his progress. He then goes on to describe what happened to enable God to assist with his progression and the differences that made.

Female Participant: Could you give some examples of say Nero progressing without God, and what the difference would have been had he involved God?

Mary: There were some spirits who came along and were talking about that, talking about how they had done it.

Jesus: Without God?

Mary: Without God and then …

Jesus: Would they like to answer the question?

(Mary tunes in)

Mary (Gregor): So, what would you like to know?

Jesus: Well, basically to explain to the group of people here, what it’s like to deal with a problem that you have faced as a part of your record of your life without God being involved, and then maybe compare that to something that you’ve dealt with, with God involved.

Mary: So maybe we’ll just have a spokesperson?

Jesus: Yes, that’s all good.

Mary (Gregor): So, on Earth I was a very intellectual man.

Jesus: What period of time did you live?

Mary (Gregor): The seventeen hundreds.

Jesus: Yes, no worries. What was your name by the way?

Mary (Gregor): Let’s say Greg for the sake of the translation.

Jesus: No worries. What country did you come from Gregor?

Mary (Gregor): Czechoslovakia, and so, yes, I was a very proud man on Earth, and I lived a selfish life.

Jesus: Perhaps you can help everyone understand what kind of life.

Mary (Gregor): Well, I was well to do.

Jesus: Yes, wealthy.

Mary (Gregor): Yes, and I took what I wanted when I wanted it.

Jesus: Yes, without much consideration for anyone’s thoughts about it.

Mary (Gregor):  Yes, I didn’t care for the people in my care. I didn’t care for my family or my wife, or my employees, and I was often violent as well, in terms of …

Jesus:  … enforcing your will.

Mary (Gregor): Yes, on others, and I was quite cruel also. I could see the suffering in my employees and people in my charge, and I didn’t care for them. Some of their children died from hunger and some people died of exposure, and I didn’t care.

So, when I passed into the spirit world, I was an old man and I felt that I was quite proud of my life, and I was denying the hardness in my heart, and for some years, for some fifty years I stayed around my lands.

Jesus: Your estate on Earth

Mary (Gregor): Yes, and eventually I realised I needed to enter the spirit world and so I did that, and I found that very hard.

Jesus: Because of the realities of your circumstance?

Mary (Gregor): Yes. I found the environment was very cold and hard around me.

Jesus: So, it mirrored what you’d learnt to become.

Mary (Gregor):Yes, it mirrored my heart; I know now.

Jesus: And you didn’t see the record just yet?

Mary (Gregor): No. I felt confused, angry. I felt …

Jesus:  … like you didn’t deserve it.

Mary (Gregor): Yes, that there was an injustice, and I felt I should be able to bargain out of it.

Jesus: Wriggle yourself out of it.

Mary (Gregor): Yes, that I was smart, a clever man, I just needed to understand the system and I would get out.

Jesus: And then work the system after that.

Mary (Gregor): Yes, and that there must be some way to get out of this. Little did I know the real way to get out of it.

(Jesus laughs)

Jesus: The simple way to get out of it.

Mary (Gregor): That quality actually became a good quality – eventually.

Jesus: Eventually, once you knew.

Mary (Gregor): But at that point I wasn’t soft to the possibilities of how to get out of it, and so I faced the … what I called the wrath then, the punishment.

Jesus: The Law’s punishment

Mary (Gregor): The punishment

Jesus: Yes, and what was that like?

Mary (Gregor): So, eventually I found my environment was cold, hard, and very restricted.

Jesus: Claustrophobic

Mary (Gregor):  Almost like I was in a small, cold, hard room and I didn’t see the record. I didn’t see the record for a long time and then … I don’t know what changed, I suppose it was time, and that I was always thinking there must be a way out of this. But it took me a long time to even consider … something … have an opening that maybe the way out of it was to face some problem in me.

Jesus: Yes.

Mary (Gregor): And as soon as I did that, then there was a chair and then I could sit, and then I was shown the record.

Jesus: So, there was a spirit who helped all of that, who gave you the chair and showed you the record, but you weren’t aware of them at this stage.

Mary (Gregor): I didn’t even know them or see them really.

Jesus: Yes, or even know they were there.

Mary (Gregor): That’s right.

Jesus: Just sort of magically appeared. (Jesus laughs)

Mary (Gregor): Yes, and I came to find the record was … it wasn’t like a written record as much as a …

Jesus:  … sensory one.

Mary (Gregor):  … an image record. Initially I didn’t have emotions about what I was seeing. I was just seeing … like what you would now say is a movie. I was seeing it again and not always in sequential order either.

Jesus: Just in terms of what came up at the time.

Mary (Gregor): Yes, there would just be different images. Sometimes it was, in the beginning, fleeting, and different things would be in my field of vision, if you like. Eventually I started to see things more, and see things more, and eventually more. It maybe took me eighty years to reach this point that I’m now talking about, maybe longer.

Jesus: So, this was a separate period? Fifty years and then eighty?

Mary (Gregor): Yes.

Jesus: So, fifty years to even just become …

Mary (Gregor):  … to start to see the record.

Jesus: To get to see the record and then eighty years where you’re seeing the record but not really feeling much about it at this stage.

Mary (Gregor): No feeling.

Jesus: So, how were you feeling even having the record in front of you in that period of time? Were you just sick of seeing it?

Mary (Gregor): Yes, initially I was impatient.

Jesus: Yes, what’s this all about?

Mary (Gregor): Yes. Why?

Jesus: Why am I seeing it?

Mary (Gregor): Yes, why am I seeing this? Also, some of the things I was seeing I was thinking …

Jesus:  … that’s not how it happened. (Laughter)

Mary (Gregor): That’s not how it happened, that’s not correct, and so I was impatient, impatient and not even angry. When I started to get angry …

Jesus:  … that was better. (Laughs)

Mary (Gregor): Yes, this is how hard my heart was.

Jesus: So, in that hard area, you were just sick of seeing it – dismissive of it.

Mary (Gregor): Impatient

Jesus: What’s it there for, but not really wanting to know what it’s there for, and then really just getting sick and tired of it being there and trying to ignore it?

Mary (Gregor): Yes.

Jesus: So, that was eighty years of that?

Mary (Gregor): Yes, and then I started to get angry. I started to get angry that I didn’t want to see these things and I started to see more things; I started to see a sequence in my life, to see it more continuously.

Jesus: So, the more you got angry the more you saw?

Mary (Gregor): Yes, or I can’t tell which came first. I suppose it probably was, but it seemed to work. Do you know what I mean?

Jesus: Yes, I do, I’ve seen it many times, but these people haven’t, so we’ve got to describe it well. 

Mary (Gregor): Well, the more angry I got, it seemed I saw more, and then that would make me more angry and then I would see more.

Jesus: That’s right.

Mary (Gregor): And then I would get more angry. So, I don’t really know what started it.

Jesus: Yes, exactly.

Mary (Gregor): Then after some time of that I began to feel pain – a lot of pain.

Jesus: Physical pain?

Mary (Gregor): Yes, physical …

Jesus: Sort of like torture.

Mary (Gregor):  … restricting pain, as if there was vice around me pain, and then I started to feel sorry for myself.

Jesus: Yes, and angry about that.

Mary (Gregor): Yes. (Laughter)

Jesus: As you do.

Mary (Gregor): Why would I have to suffer like this?

Jesus: Yes, what have I done so bad.

Mary (Gregor): How dare I suffer like this, and then eventually I came to understand I was feeling the suffering that I had inflicted on others.

Jesus: That’s right, and at this stage you hadn’t cried very much, just more screaming about how bad it is?

Mary (Gregor): It was like you said – like being tortured. Like I was physically surviving a lot of pain all of the time, and then when I realised that I was experiencing the pain commensurate to what I had caused others – it took me a long time to see that – but I remember realising that. And then there was some emotion. I wouldn’t call that remorse … yet, but do you know that feeling of recognition when you finally understand something? It’s sort of a relief.

Jesus: Yes, sort of like a lightbulb moment of regret type of thing.

Mary (Gregor): Yes.  I wouldn’t even say I regretted it.

Jesus: Not quite yet. 

Mary (Gregor): But it was a relief to understand why I was in so much pain, and I wasn’t yet feeling, and I stopped feeling angry, because I could see a cause and effect then, and that was good.

Jesus: So, you sort of now more felt like, oh, I did deserve it?

Mary (Gregor): Well, I still didn’t feel like I had, I felt like, oh, I understand.

Jesus: It felt more like a recognition of, you did do those things.

Mary (Gregor): Yes. I understand and I understand that I didn’t understand that I was hurting people so much, or that I didn’t care I suppose, but because it made sense, somehow that was better that it made sense, why it was happening.

Jesus: Yes, because it’s worse isn’t it, when something is happening to you, and you have no rhyme or reason for it happening.

Mary (Gregor): I really felt like some of the lads you’re talking to here today, I couldn’t see why … that I had done anything wrong.

Jesus: That’s right.

Mary (Gregor): So, this whole process then was helping me start to understand I had done something wrong. Then once I realised that, then another gradual process started to happen where I started to feel some level of sorrow.

Jesus: Yes.

Mary (Gregor): I could start to relate the pain I had been through to the pain that others had had to go through because of me, and then I started to feel some sorrow, some sadness, some regret about that.

Jesus: About causing them that kind of pain.

Mary (Gregor): Yes, because now I knew what that was like, because I had suffered it.

Jesus: For yourself, because you had suffered it.

Mary (Gregor): Yes. So, I was doing that then for a long time as well. This sort of sadness and I gave myself over to it more then.

Jesus: So, we’re in the mid eighteen hundreds now, aren’t we? In terms of time on Earth?

Mary (Gregor): Yes, I guess so. So, I gave myself to that then.

Jesus: So, you started grieving properly and feeling that you had done those things, and that it was bad that you had done them and that kind of thing.

Mary (Gregor): Yes, and I probably did that for about fifty years, and I didn’t think much. Once I understood, because I was very logical – well I thought myself to be logical (Jesus chuckles) – I thought, well, this is what I have to do.

Jesus: Yes, it became quite clear to you that there was something involved with the law, pushing you in this direction.

Mary (Gregor): Once I understood that I had created that pain, it seemed like a kind of justice I suppose.

Jesus: Yes, an awareness of the justice.

Mary (Gregor): Yes, but I still feel my heart was not soft really. It was more a recognition of the scales of justice evening.

Jesus: Sort of like a reluctant recognition, and a reluctant emotional process now.

Mary (Gregor): Yes, I didn’t fight it anymore, but I didn’t feel soft in my heart. I didn’t feel what I would now call repentant for what I had done. There was just an acknowledgement, well, I need to go through this because I have done this.

Jesus: Because I deserve it.

Mary (Gregor): But there was no feeling of, I wish I could go back and undo it; I still didn’t really regret my life yet. I more or less just submitted to the process.

Jesus: Yes, you more regretted the situation you were in – more than regretted your life.

Mary (Gregor): Yes, I did initially. I was so angry about the process I was in, but then there came this strange switch where I just was like, ok, well this is what I am in, and I can’t change it; I gave up feeling I could change it and then I couldn’t really regret it either.

Jesus: Sort of like an acknowledgement, this is my reality now.

Mary (Gregor): Yes.

Jesus: For some reason did you still not understand the real reason why it was your reality, in the sense that, what was creating this reality?

Mary (Gregor): Well, my thought at that time was that I created it because of what I had created on Earth, so it was an evening of the scales.

Jesus: Got you, but you weren’t conscious of God’s Laws evening the scales.

Mary (Gregor): No. Just that I’m in a process that now makes sense.

Jesus: Has to be done.

Mary (Gregor): Yes, and I can see … I didn’t think beyond that really. Just that, okay, this has got to happen.

Jesus: So, now we’re Earth time nineteen hundred – close to?

Mary (Gregor): Yes, and so around that time I began to … I suppose there’s the softening of my heart happening then, because I’m allowing the pain, I’m not fighting the pain, and I am feeling some sorrow for what people had gone through.

Jesus: So, your heart, your soul softening through that natural process.

Mary (Gregor): Yes, and the more that I see the movie, the more that I see, more and more things.

Jesus: That are wrong in the movie.

Mary (Gregor): Yes, it’s becoming more refined, the things I see that went wrong in my life.

Jesus: Seeing more detail.

Mary (Gregor): And I understand now I was starting to see causes of why I had done wrong as well, but that happened very gradually over a period of time as I got more open or soft.

Then eventually there came a point, where I wished that I hadn’t done what I did for the sake of those people, not for my sake, but for their sake.

Jesus: Not for your sake.

Mary (Gregor): And that’s when everything changed.

Jesus: That’s when repentance begins.

Mary (Gregor): And that’s when I found people around me, people were there then.

Jesus: That cared about you.

Mary (Gregor):  Yes, and I could look away from the screen and speak with people, before then I couldn’t even look away, I was like in a brace, and then they could talk to me, and that’s when I started the process with God.

Jesus: Wonderful. And the process with God, how long did that take in comparison? (Laughter)

Mary (Gregor): Well, I’m still in a process with God.

Jesus: Of course, of course, but you’re well progressed now.

Mary (Gregor): Yes, the pain and suffering ended very quickly by comparison.

Jesus: Can you explain where you are now for the sake of our friends here?

Mary (Gregor): Yes, I am in the fourth to fifth sphere; at that progression point now. So, that happened very rapidly in comparison.

Jesus: In comparison with the rest.

Mary (Gregor): Yes

Jesus: Because you basically stayed in that hellish state for close to two hundred and fifty years, didn’t you?

Mary (Gregor): Yes

Jesus: Then the rest started happening

Mary (Gregor): And then within eight or ten years I was in the top of the first sphere.

Jesus: Yes, and without as much pain and so forth.

Mary (Gregor): And I have been good since then.

Jesus: Have you also found though that each sphere, it’s like you have to learn more than the average person does, to get to the next one? Is that how it is a bit?

Mary (Gregor): What do you mean?

Jesus: In the sense that usually when we’ve had a bad start on Earth, in terms of being selfishly motivated on Earth, even the transition between each sphere is slowed down a bit. Our ability to grow is slowed down, unless we are really embracing our relationship with God, and most people on Earth don’t realise that.

They sort of feel that once they make a start that they should go as fast through as anybody else would type of thing. They don’t realise the legacy, I suppose you could say, of the injuries.

Mary (Gregor): I suppose I am very conscious of the legacy; I feel that’s a part of the legacy; I never begrudge my slowness now.

Jesus: Yes, because it’s all about releasing that legacy.

Mary (Gregor): Yes, and there was a lot of people that I wanted to …

Jesus: I’m not suggesting you’re slow compared to many.

Mary (Gregor): No, no I feel that …

Jesus: For many who are here, they would go, oh, it’s been a hundred years since then, and you’re now in the fifth sphere, why is that? Not understanding the legacy and how it impacts every part of your growth.

Mary (Gregor): Absolutely, there’s so many amends if I can call it that …

Jesus: Correct

Mary (Gregor):  … that I want to make at every point of this journey.

Jesus: Of course

Mary (Gregor): And each progression I make, makes me more sensitive and I want to do more; my focus is as much backwards as it is forwards, if that makes sense.

Jesus: Correcting the errors of the past

Mary (Gregor): There are so many things that I want to correct from the past, and to assist those that I have harmed as much as I can, and their descendants and my descendants.

Jesus: And that’s the difficulty, isn’t it? We often don’t realise the full effects of what we do in the moment we do them, but then later we see the full effects and we go, gee, there’s so much to help undo now. Also, there is a feeling in your heart you want to help them.

Mary (Gregor): Yes, it’s a joy for me now. There’s always sorrows that are there.

Jesus: Of course

Mary (Gregor): I feel so grateful to know God now and I feel … I’m not in the rush for heavenly things, in the sense that I know that when I make things right, I’ll be there, and that feels right to me; that feels just also. Do you know what I mean?

Jesus: Yes, I feel one thing that might help you a bit though is, I feel at the moment you are slowing your progress down because you feel … a still fairly strong judgement of yourself. So, there’s a resistance to receiving God’s Love because of that judgement of yourself.

Mary (Gregor): I feel I will receive God’s Love to that degree when I am worthy of it.

Jesus: Yes, and that’s where the error is. It’s like there’s still the feeling that you have to almost earn it because of the past.

Mary (Gregor): Well, repair what I have done, I suppose.

Jesus: Well, that’s true but my suggestion would be to let more of God’s Love flow into your soul, ask for more. At the moment I feel you’re managing how much flows, because of that feeling of guilt about what you’ve done still existing. Sort of managing how much flows into your heart, do you know what I mean?

Mary (Gregor): Thank you, friend. Thank you for that. {Emotional/teary tone}

Jesus: I know it’s a bit tricky because it’s like when you feel bad about yourself, you most likely feel like undeserving of asking God for more Love.

Mary (Gregor): I want to ask God for Love for those that I have harmed.

Jesus: Yes, but this is what I am saying, you also need to ask God for Love for your own sake as well, and it feels to me the reason why you’ve taken it slowly, is because asking God is going to trigger some feelings that you have, about your own shame about yourself. Do you know what I mean?

Mary (Gregor): Yes, thank you. Thank you.

Female Participant 2: How did you start your relationship with God?

Jesus: Good question.

Female Participant 2: Or how did that come about?

Jesus: How did it start?

Female Participant 2: Yes.

Jesus: I think he sort of explained that already a bit, but perhaps he can illustrate that a bit more.

Mary (Gregor): So, at the time when I started to feel regret for the people I had harmed, then I had some men, who I now know were Celestial friends who were around me, suddenly I felt them around me, and they helped me to know that God didn’t judge me, which was very hard for me to understand.

As my friend was just pointing out, I’m still coming to understand that, but they encouraged me to ask God for God’s feelings about what I had done, and that turned out to be a really different experience than what I expected.

Female Participant 2: How so?

Mary (Gregor): I had to have a lot of courage to ask because I thought at that time God would want me … I almost felt that God would want me to suffer as I had been suffering until that point, and while I understand now God did want me to go through that process, once my heart had softened God didn’t want me too anymore.

I felt a great degree of recognition of my sin from God, but also, I felt compassion from God, and that’s what I wasn’t expecting.

I also learned in that process, in those first experiments, that I could ask God to help me really see what I had done to harm others, so I didn’t have to watch the movie continually. That God could show me precisely how I had hurt others, and so I really began to engage in that process with God really actively after that point. Does that answer your question?

Female Participant 2: Yes, thank you.

Jesus (to Female Participant 2): Are you also interested in terms of what triggered the start? Can you see what he has explained to you is like a gradual process of becoming awakened to the possibility of a relationship with God? It wasn’t all of a sudden he had an epiphany, and all of a sudden realise.

Also, remember in his early discussion he was saying how he entered the process of repentance first, and then that opened his heart to having a relationship with God as well.

Mary (Gregor): I think before then it would have been very hard, because obviously God has had a lot to say to me about how I have harmed others, and if I didn’t want to know that from God … if I didn’t want to know that that was true … I had reached a point where I was willing to accept that I had hurt others. If I wasn’t at that point, I think I would have been so blocked to what God wanted to say to me.

Female Participant 2: Was there a reason why Divine Love spirits were attracted to you rather than natural love spirits? Did you have a feeling about God on Earth at all?

Mary (Gregor): No, I didn’t. I didn’t. I suppose … it’s a good question. I suppose it’s because I had a feeling growing, as I think I recounted already, a growing feeling of a natural justice as to what was happening to me, and I think that that opened me to a feeling that there was somebody in charge of that justice. But I’d never really stopped to ask that question of myself, as to why exactly those friends came to me.

Jesus: I think that’s a pretty spot-on answer though.

Female Participant 3: Did you have a religious background at all?

Jesus: He was aware of religion but …

Mary (Gregor): I would say I was involved in the way that society would ask me to be involved in religion, but I had no feeling beyond it being a societal ritual.

Jesus: And a tool to get to more power perhaps

Mary (Gregor): A construct of the society I suppose you’d say.

Female Participant 3: And a punishing God, a sort of a religious note?

Mary (Gregor): No, I had no feeling; no feeling that I would ever be punished; no feeling of a God.

Jesus: You can’t do the things that he decided to do without having no feeling, you have to have no feelings.

Female Participant 2: Was there some similarity from the time that you came into our conversation today, did you harm your soulmate while you were on Earth, like Nero?

Mary (Gregor): I was drawn when you were discussing the … well actually, I think John really brought me.

Jesus: The Apostle John?

Mary (Gregor): Yes. It was because there was the discussion of the record, and he knows that I would like to talk about it. I hadn’t met him, but he knew that I knew, and so he brought me then.

There was a lot of amends that I had to make towards my wife, but she wasn’t my soulmate. I haven’t met my soulmate yet. I’m not aware, I think I would have been told if I had hurt my soulmate, but perhaps I’m being told now about something prompted; perhaps it’s something I need to investigate.

I feel a great deal of sorrow about how I treated my wife in particular on Earth, and I have been feeling that sorrow for quite some time, working through that in many different ways. As far as I am aware she is not my soulmate, I don’t feel that she is and I don’t see a connection between us, but I haven’t yet made a connection with my soulmate.

Jesus: That’s common too, it’s usually in the fifth sphere that most spirits have any connection to their soulmates, because it takes time to deal with the inter-gender emotional issues.

Mary (Gregor): Thank you for letting me share my story.

(Audience expresses gratitude for Gregor coming to speak)

Mary (Gregor): I feel very passionately about The Way, but I also feel the pain that I went through after my passing was very just also. I am involved in assisting other people who are going through the same pain that I went through.

Jesus: In terms of helping them find a way while they’re in the compensatory process.

Mary (Gregor): Yes, and I pray for them a lot, that they’ll reach that point of recognition of regret, of the harm to others sooner than I did.

Jesus: And it’s particularly the regret of harm to others, there’s plenty of times when we complain about harm to oneself.

Mary (Gregor): Yes. (Both Jesus and Gregor chuckle)

Jesus: This is a pattern I think for our group here to bear in mind. Most of the complaints they have, are about how others have harmed them rather than their harm of others. I think that’s very good.

Mary (Gregor): I can honestly say that I didn’t love others until I felt that regret of how I had … the harm I had done. That feels like the opening of my heart to love. Probably for the first time in my existence.

Jesus: Perhaps you can comment a little about the contrast between where you are now, in terms of where you live and where you first arrived.

Mary (Gregor): Well, it’s so remarkable. Where I reside now is so far beyond any earthly conception of peace or beauty; it’s really, really quite wonderful.

Where I entered the spirit life was really beyond the conception of what on Earth you could think of as the worst place you could be really. 

There are very terrible places on Earth that people are and have been put in terms their physical restriction and their physical discomfort, and so it’s possibly akin to something like that. But because there was the spiritual coldness, if I could call it that, the environment was also emotionally cold and hard, because it was reflecting me.

So, it wasn’t just physically cold but emotionally cold as well. I am not sure how to explain that well, because it’s a different quality to what is experienced on Earth, isn’t it?

Jesus: Yes, on Earth here you can sort of avoid the spiritual experience of it, can’t you, to a degree.

Mary (Gregor): And I know many people suffer physically on Earth but …

Jesus:  … not often the ones that are in poorer condition.

Mary (Gregor): Yes, that’s right. There’s no escaping the mind. On Earth there are …

Jesus:  … escapes everywhere.

Mary (Gregor): Yes, what you would call an escape of the mind.

Jesus: Which is probably what we have been referring to with our group here as denial.

Mary (Gregor): There’s no sleep state to go to, there’s no other state to enter.

Jesus: No rest

Mary (Gregor): There’s no splitting from self, or many of the things that people do on Earth.

Jesus: There’s no let up from the situation you’re in. It’s not like you can be uncomfortable today, so you decide to go on a holiday tomorrow.

Mary (Gregor): No

Jesus: Oh, I’m feeling a bit lonely I’ll go across to the coast, or I feel a bit like I need a bit of night life, so I’ll go dancing or whatever – nothing like that.

Mary (Gregor): No, it’s beyond that.

Female Participant 3: And the only movie on Netflix is your record.

Jesus: Is your own movie, that’s the only thing and nothing else; once you’re open to it, it’s impossible to get away from.

Mary (Gregor): And there’s no warmth that I could get from …

Jesus: It’s as rigid as you have been.

Mary (Gregor): Yes. There was no warmth that I could get from others, I couldn’t take from others, and I had done that a lot on Earth.

Jesus: Couldn’t get approval from others

Mary (Gregor): Power

Jesus: Get nice feelings from others, power over others – nothing.

Male Particpant 1: When you first see the record … your condition is … you’re still in harmony with it in some way, aren’t you? Does it feel bad when you think back?

Jesus: No, most people when they first see the record are like Gregor, where he started to see the record, but didn’t really know why it was happening, why it was there; couldn’t agree that that was even what he did. It’s like being presented with a record of your life and you go, ‘Ah, no that’s not really me’. You know what I mean? Maybe a bit of me, but …

Mary (Gregor): Or even then, once I did see it as me, I was so cold in my heart towards those things that …

Jesus: So, what! So, I did that, so what?

Mary (Gregor): Yes, I didn’t have an emotional response initially.

Female Participant 3: To see the record, did you have to desire it strongly or was it just because of some circumstances. What were the circumstances?

Jesus: No, remember he described the breakthrough was when he got the chair and the record at the same time, what was the breakthrough? Can you remember it?

Female Participant 3: When he first had some feelings of hurting others.

Jesus: No, that’s the second one, what was the first one.

Female Participant 3: I can’t remember.

Jesus: Want him to say it again?

Female Participant 3: Yes please

Mary (Gregor): No, I wasn’t angry, and I was still disconnected. I just thought that there must be a way to get out of where I was.

Jesus: So, his heart was saying, ‘There must be a way to get out of here, what is it?’ And he is given a chair and a record; there’s the way out. Do you understand? That’s God’s answer; there’s the way out. Do you follow that?

This is God’s answer to his question, is there a way out? Here’s the way out; a chair and a record.

Female Participant 4: So, it took you all those years to ask that question?

Jesus: Yes, for lots of reasons.

Mary (Gregor): Yes, like I described I was always very logical, and so I did always think when I entered the spirit world, there must be a way beyond this, but it wasn’t until I thought there was more responsibility that perhaps there was something I could do.

Jesus: Something I need do.

Mary (Gregor): It still wasn’t a feeling, a softness that I had done anything wrong, but perhaps something I actually had to do, because no one was coming that I could negotiate with, if you like.  So, that’s when the chair and the record appeared.

Female Participant 3: So, that’s like self-responsibility. A feeling, I’ve got to be responsible for this.

Jesus: Exactly, it’s the beginning of it, isn’t it? Beginning of a … I have control over this situation somehow, I don’t know yet how, but I need to know what that is.

Female Participant 3: Because I created this obviously

Jesus: No, no there’s not even that. Not even that.

Mary (Gregor): I wasn’t self-responsible at that point, but I was at the inception point.

Jesus: Exactly. Exactly. There must be something I can do to get out of this.

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Female Participant 4: So, before that period, where no one was coming, and it was going on for years and years and years, was there despair inside of you? Hopelessness?

Jesus: Too hard to feel despair.

Mary (Gregor): I wasn’t very connected … well, I wasn’t connected with my emotions. So, when I began to feel despair and hopelessness was probably after I got angry. The hopelessness and the anger came together, after I had been experiencing a lot of physical pain for a long time.

Before then there was sort of a feeling of numb, it is kind of an indignation, but that feels too strong a word, because I really wasn’t connected emotionally.

Jesus: Possibly what I can feel from you is that feeling of restriction.

Mary (Gregor): Very restricted

Jesus: Just feeling restricted

Mary (Gregor): Yes

Jesus: Why can’t I do more than this, type of feeling. Does that make sense to you? Imagine you’re in a room, you can’t get out of the room; it’s all very cold, all cold emotionally; no one else is there, what’s going to be your thought.

Male Participant 2: I’d be angry within five minutes I reckon.

(Jesus laughs)

Jesus: But isn’t one of your thoughts going to be, how can I get out of here?

Audience: Yes

Jesus: Or why can’t I get out of here? After a while that’s the thought that it engages, isn’t it?

Then once he realised, there must be something I can do to get out of here, that’s more of a request, isn’t it? More of a request: please tell me if there is something I can do to get out of here, basically is the theory. Like he wants to know, is there some way to get out of here? There must be.

Female Participant 4: Christians that are taught, or some sects anyway, are taught that hell is eternal. In the Catholic Church hell is eternal. So, would they need to get more stuck looking at the records?

Jesus: Sometimes, usually if they’re taught that and they believe it, but Gregor didn’t believe it.

Female Participant 4: So, that was an advantage.

Jesus: Yes, that’s right it’s an advantage, if he was taught it and believed it, and he had done all the things he had already done, all of those things together, then he might have decided that this is where he is going to be the rest of his existence and not even bother to ask the question, can I get out of here? That is true.

There are many popes of old who have done that, who have gotten to the spirit world in a really dark place and haven’t even bothered asking the question – if they believe it.

Female Participant 4: That’s what the teaching is. 

Jesus: Yes, but it’s whether you believe the teaching or not. It’s not about the teaching; many popes don’t believe their own teachings. Many religious people don’t believe the teaching. It’s whether you actually believe it or not.

Mary (Gregor): Also, belief is so emotional, and the evolution of my belief has happened through my emotional changes, and on Earth that is very poorly understood.

Jesus: It’s completely misunderstood really.

Mary (Gregor): Yes, belief is understood as something intellectual. If there is an intellectual belief, people believe that not only do they believe that it’s an emotional belief for them, which is often not the case, but they also think that their intellect will govern in this location, in this world, and it doesn’t.

So, I’ve spoken to you really about my emotional conditions, not about my thought processes and I notice that a lot of you are asking about my thought processes, and so I’ve spoken really from the emotional. I could talk about my thought processes a little more if you like …

Jesus: Possibly not

Mary (Gregor):  … but I think that is more confusing.

Jesus: Yes, and also, I think what’s important for the audience here to understand, is that they get so involved in the thought processes, but they don’t understand yet that none of their thought processes really matter in a lot of ways.

Mary (Gregor): It’s one thing to even think there were periods, when I was in physical pain; time, when I thought perhaps … even thought I was sorry for the people that I had harmed, but that wasn’t real until I reached an emotional point of sorrow. Where I actually felt deep regret and sorrow and wished that I did not harm those people, but that was emotional.

Jesus: It’s like asking a child here on Earth to ‘say you’re sorry’ when he’s not sorry, and then to actually have the child feel he’s sorry and then want to do something about it. Does that make sense, there’s a big difference between those two places?

Mary (Gregor): And because I had such a logical brain, I reached the recognition, not initially, not for over one hundred years, but I did reach the recognition when I was in the physical pain place that this is because I’ve hurt other people. I realised that at some point intellectually, and even I wished that I hadn’t harmed them, because I didn’t want to be going through the pain, but that wasn’t a true …

Jesus: Still all selfish right?

Mary (Gregor): That was selfish and it was thoughts, and it wasn’t until I felt real compassion for those people that my situation could change then – quickly. I know you say it’s sort of slowly, but the change from where I was to the top of the first sphere and into the second sphere was really quite rapid after that.

Jesus: Particularly compared with many who have experienced the same history as yourself, which have been thousands of years in the same places.

Mary (Gregor): Yes, and if I hadn’t had that change, I might still be there. 

Jesus: Yes, and it’s very important for the audience here I feel, to see that the difference between emotional feelings and the thought processes are so far apart from each other that it’s like – for most people here, when they hear God’s Truth, they think they get it, but they’ve got nowhere near it yet in their heart, and it’s very important to grasp that.

If you don’t grasp that, you basically presume then a lot of things that you think you understand and think you get, and you don’t. If you think about it though, your life is a reflection of the fact that you don’t. Does that make sense?

Female Participant 3: It’s so easy to fool yourself with thoughts when we are so intellectual and the world is so set up for intellect, we kind of think, well, I get it, I get it because I understand it …

Jesus: Not only that, its purposeful inside of yourself. How many of you want to grieve how you have treated others, compared to just thinking about it and hope it never happened?

If you think about it, if you grieve about it, there is going to be a lot of heart in it, isn’t there? There’s going to be a lot of crying and heartfelt sorrow. For many of us we don’t want go there, and so we would rather just have a thought and say, ‘Oh, I’m sorry now’.

Also, we have a thought, we say, ‘I’m sorry’, and we go, ‘Now I should get a better result, because I’ve said I’m sorry’; similar to how a child has been taught, if you say you’re sorry you’ll get the ice cream or whatever. We often have imbibed these kinds of belief systems, thinking this is how it’s all going to work with God, and it doesn’t.

Unless it’s sincere emotion that you’re feeling about something, it’s not going to work with God – ever!

Female Participant 3: Which is good because it shows us whether we’re sincere or not.

Jesus: Exactly, it’s really good, but for the majority of us we think, ‘No, I should be able to just think it all it through and I should be able to get through it then’, because we want to avoid the pain of it. We’re trying to avoid the pain of it, and this is the thing, the spirit world doesn’t let you avoid the pain of it.

For the majority of us we think it’s going to, we think it’s going to, and it’s not. That’s why I’m saying, it’s far better to start the process here of self-analysis, because it’s very hard to start there.

Also, on top of that, if you are convinced that you can think things and you can get through things by thinking things, you’re going to be absolutely shocked, because it’s not like that at all.

Male Participant 2: If we passed at this point, how much would we retain of what we may have learnt in the last ten years?

Jesus: Not a lot because you haven’t learnt a lot. You think you’ve heard it, but you haven’t yet applied it in your heart – haven’t emotionally applied it. It’s only stuff that you emotionally apply that you remember.

Male Participant 2: What about prayer?

Jesus: Well, you think you are praying but you’re not. Most of the time you’re praying to avoid pain, which is a very selfish thing, and that’s not a prayer, and that doesn’t reach God. So, for the majority of us that’s what we’re praying.

Basically, what we do is, before we learn about God, we want to avoid our life; we want to avoid any pain we’ve caused to others in our life. Then when we hear about God, we go, oh, I can’t avoid it, so I’ll pray to God for forgiveness but it’s not heart, your heart is not in it yet.

You don’t even know what you’ve done wrong, let alone know what you’re being forgiven for. So, your heart is not in it, and so there’s no prayer and there’s no forgiveness there either.

Then when you arrive, you’re going to think, I did all that, how are you going to feel then? Pretty pee’d off probably. The fact you thought you did it all when you haven’t done any of it. Mind you the teacher who is teaching you has told you, you haven’t done much of it, and you don’t believe him, right. Because you want to believe that you have.

Male Participant 2: No, I know I haven’t.

Jesus: No, no, I’m saying generally, we want to believe generally that we have, and it’s like when we raise issues about women for example, you generally want to believe that it’s not as bad as what I’m saying really.

Male Participant 2: Yeah, I’m not that bad of a bloke.

Jesus: Yeah, I’m not that bad of a bloke, what are you talking about? That kind of thing, but see, this is God’s standard we’re talking about, and God’s standards are pretty refined when it comes to love.

A lot of times when we think, ‘Oh, it’s not too bad’; from God’s perspective it’s like, ‘Yeah, it’s not too bad in that you’re not at the bottom of the hells, but you’re a few rungs up the ladder in the hells, from not too bad’. From God’s perspective anything below the seventh is bad in a lot of ways, isn’t it? Not as good as it could be, let’s say that.


A lot of times from the fourth to the seventh it’s all about how you feel about you, but a lot of times in the earlier spheres, it’s how you’ve done others wrong; you understand?

For the majority of us, we ignore how we feel about ourselves, and we do others badly, we treat others badly. So, for the first half of our progress you could say up until the, third, fourth, fifth sphere even, we’re dealing with how we’ve treated others.

By the fifth, we’re now starting to recognise, who am I? What am I going to do? Do I love myself yet? Do I care about myself yet? What about the other half of myself? And you’re starting to recognise all those things from an emotional perspective. Before then it’s all about how you’ve done others bad, and that’s where it’s really tough because for most of us, we want to focus on how others have done us wrong.

Male Participant 2: What is it that prevents you from really feeling about what you have done to others?

Jesus: Well, there’s a number of things: firstly, you don’t think the things you did were wrong. That’s a big issue, isn’t it?

An example of that might be, let’s say I’m a man and I’ve expected women to cook my dinner for me. That’s pretty innocent, you know, I was brought up that way, what’s wrong with that? It’s pretty normal and most women like cooking for you really, that’s how they feel good about themselves, is the way you explain it away to yourself.

But from God’s perspective, how does God feel about it? When you really feel what God feels about it, it’s pretty bad. Then just that one little thing that I think, ‘Oh, that’s alright, there’s nothing much wrong with that’, God’s already thinking that little thing is bad, what about the big things that are bad? (Laughs)

How tough are they going to be, when even just this little thing was bad and I can’t accept that, I think it’s just normal, do you know what I mean? So, you can see that the awakening process is pretty tricky to come to see it God’s Way.

And this is something when we speak with our spirit friends about these matters, it’s hard for them to convey to you how it feels being in the position. In a lot of ways unless you’ve seen it for yourself, or gone through it yourself, you don’t really know how bad it can be, sinning against God’s Laws and how refined it all is.

I’m not saying this to frighten the living daylights out of all of you, I’m just saying it’s the reality of how unloving things are here, and most of us don’t realise how unloving things are, because we’re living in that band of what’s acceptable.

You know how we’ve drawn that band on the whiteboard? I can’t go below this, I’m a bad person; I can’t go above this, I’m a bad person if I do that too. That band is set very low, it’s a very low bar from God’s perspective.

It’s interesting I find when we set a higher bar – and by the way here we’re not even setting a bar, a Celestial bar – we’re setting what, maybe a sphere two bar.

So, we’re setting maybe a sphere two bar and most of you feel it’s too extreme, and that’s how much of a contrast it is.

That’s why when someone like Gregor comes along to explain the situation, sometimes some of you feel some judgement or whatever, but you’ve really not yet got any personal idea of the bars, of where things are in love and where you are in that scheme of things.

Male Participant 3: We’re very invested in thinking, I’m okay.

Jesus: Thinking good about ourselves.

Male Participant 3: Thinking good about ourselves.

Jesus: Self-absorbed in our thoughts about ourselves

Male Participant 2: I feel like I know I’ve done some pretty bad shit.

Jesus: Yes. Well, it’s often the things you don’t know that are the worst things. Often the things that we’ve done that we know are bad, are pretty extreme bad. But it’s all the ones that we don’t know are bad, that are bad, that we have the most difficulty with.

The ones that are extreme bad that we know of, most of us are already in a state where we’re at least recognising it. You can at least look at the wall and go, ‘Yes, I did that’. Mind you a lot of our grief about it is not about how we’ve hurt others, it’s all about ‘I wish I never did that bad thing’, or even worse, ‘I wish I never got caught for doing that bad thing’.

But when it comes to the refinement from God’s perspective it’s like, well, all those things you see are bad; well yes, that’s true, you see them as bad, from God’s perspective they’re really bad.

But all the things you think you are normal, most of them are bad too, and you don’t yet know how bad they are, and this is why it’s hard. Unless you’re very self-reflective, and you can get away from being self-absorbed in your own emotional state and actually feel the impact you’re having on others, you won’t actually see any of that.

Male Participant 3: We don’t want to know.

Jesus: We don’t want to know, and it’s like Gregor was saying, until he wanted to know, everything before then was hard.

Male Participant 3: Not for a selfish reason.

Jesus: Not for a selfish reason, yes, most of us even now, we only want to know for a selfish reason, we go, ‘Oh, I want to be free of this for myself’. So, that’s pretty selfish really, isn’t it? When you think about it, it’s not: ‘I’m not doing it for the sake of harming others’; I’m doing it for the sake of myself, and so that’s not yet at that state is it, that he’s describing.

And he’s saying, it wasn’t until he got into that state that he started to have a relationship with God either. So, that’s also a key thing to remember in the discussion. Because he had to get to that state where he wanted to be and felt to be sorry for what he had done, before he could even enter a relationship with God, because he didn’t even feel at that stage that he could have one.

So, that’s going to be the same for most of us too – same thing. This is why we bring these examples here, is to help you see that we’re not talking about someone else, we’re talking about you here.

We’re not talking about Hitlers and Stalins, we’re talking about normal people who thought their life was normal on Earth, just like you do, and thought they fitted into society, just like you do, and yet they’ve had some really harsh times coming to terms with God’s Laws, you follow?

Male Participant 3: What would it take for us to want to see ourselves as God sees us?

Jesus: Just a sincere heart, that’s really all it takes, but the hard part is getting the sincere heart. You can see for Gregor, it took him quite some time to get the sincere heart, and a whole heap of circumstantial things had to happen.

Male Participant 3: A lot of pain

Jesus: And some pain and suffering had to happen before the sincere heart began to develop, and it’s going to be the same for all of us. That’s usually the case.

Male Participant 1: The judgement thing that you mentioned, he needs to stop judging himself?

Jesus: Yes, well all I could feel there, was that Gregor was limiting his own progression, because he felt he needed to do more to undo the pain and suffering he had caused others, before he could allow more of God’s Love to enter him. And all I was saying there was that he didn’t need to wait for that, he didn’t need to wait for that.

But you imagine you’ve done all these things and then you realise what you’ve done, you can see why you would do that right? Because you would be pretty gutted about all the things you’ve done, and you’d also be realising that there’s a lot of things you can do to fix these things.

The disadvantage of the space of slowing yourself down though, is you have less power to do the things to fix it as well. So, that’s one of the disadvantages of slowing yourself down.

But it is a hard hoop to get over because the hoop is: I feel bad about what I have done, which is what you need to do, feel bad about what you have done, but that doesn’t need to stop you from asking for God’s Love, because of what you’ve done.

Female Participant 3: But you know when you feel like – especially with the religious thing – that’s why I was under the impression he might have been raised religiously, because he felt like I don’t deserve God’s Love because of the things that I have done.

Jesus: No, no, if I could best say his feelings about his upbringing; he’s got almost the same emotions as a middle to upper class person on Earth would have today.

Female Participant 5: He did have.

Mary: He did have, yes. I don’t even know if he was as dark as …

Jesus: Not as dark as your grandad (in reference to an audience participant), I’d say not as dark … but there were women issues – probably made him as dark.

Female Participant 6: The things he was able to do to help the people that he had harmed, was that that he already had a relationship with God? and he realised that he could pray?

Jesus: Not only that, he understands the whole process of compensation, that he wants to help the people he has hurt; he wants to go to them and see what he can do to help them. He wants to do what he can do, and he wants to do it right as well, he wants to do the right thing.

Also, because he’s in the spirit world and they’re now in the spirit world he has the power to actually go and visit them and talk to them and help them wherever he can – if they let him.

Female Participant 7: You said, ‘the legacy of injuries’ and how that has slowed him down due to that, I was wondering if you could explain that in detail?

Jesus: Well, when we engage sin and then we come to a recognition that we’ve engaged a lot of sin, we then start developing emotions about feeling bad about the fact that we’ve done that. Emotions that we didn’t have before.

Female Participant 7: They’re new ones.

Jesus: They’re new ones. They’re new emotions that we never had before and then those new emotions if we’re not careful, can have the effect of slowing us down in terms of asking for God’s Love, and in terms of still wanting to receive Love from God.

Then on top of that, another feeling he was having was, I’ve got to do more to help the people I’ve harmed, if I progress then I won’t do that. But that actually isn’t true, he’ll be able to help them more.

But there is this other feeling you start having, that I need to stay here in this sphere because there are people I have harmed here that I can help, and I can go back to the other spheres and help the people that I have harmed there.

Mary: And there was a bit of a feeling of I’m not deserving yet of greater joy, because my joy is already so big and these people are not in joy yet, and I want them to get there.

Jesus: Yes, and that’s a very common feeling for people who start to engage things God’s Way, they often have the feeling of, ‘Wow, I can’t be truly happy yet, because there are all these other people I have harmed that are not happy’. They don’t even know God’s Way yet, and I need to help them first to know God’s Way. Not realising that if you were in a better condition yourself you can help better.

Cornelius: You sort of use guilt on yourself as self-punishment

Jesus: It’s sort of a self-restriction, rather than a self-punishment, I suppose. It’s a restrictive thing you’re placing on yourself, not realising that you don’t have to.

Mary: You’re not punishing, you’re restricting – there’s a difference.

Jesus: Yes, and the person who feels these things has a tendency to do that, because you realise you’ve done all these things wrong, and then you realise, ‘Oh, I want to fix them all’, and then you start getting into the idea that I have to fix them all before I’m happy. Does that make sense?

Mary: He’s so funny, he’s saying, “I am really happy.” Like you know, what are you doing? (Laughs)

Jesus: Yes, but before I’m a person with God, is what I’m talking about.

Mary: He said bye, bye.

(Comments and thanks from an appreciative audience)

Special hey. Special that he took the time to share his life.

Female Participant 5: It’s such an example, particularly of what we have to do here.

Jesus: Yes, pretty close.

Female Participant 5: So many parallels.

Jesus: Yes, there are so many parallels, and like I said, if you met Gregor today on the street, you would probably view him as a pretty normal middle to upper class guy.

Female Participant 1: Like he was when he was on Earth.

Jesus: When he was on Earth, yes. If you had met him.

Female Participant 3: It’s funny because, that asking for help, I suppose or asking for what do I do about this situation? It’s the same as Marie*. 

You know when Marie started, when she was in the cold ice block and hot boiling and all this stuff happening to her, she’s like, ‘How do I end this hell?’ She asked once, again for the doors of hell to open to even help her.

Jesus: That’s right

Female Participant 3: Because she was like there needs to be a way out; that recognition that there has to be a way to change this situation.

Jesus: That’s right, and a personal sense that it is something you need to do. Not something somebody else will do for you, that’s right.

Female Participant 5: So, when you say, if we met him on the street now, we would think he was an average Aussie guy. 

Jesus: Yes, average sort of guy.

Female Participant 5: What you mean by that is …?

Jesus: Well, not an average guy, you would think of him as a sort of normal middle to upper class guy.

Female Participant 5: Yes, someone who’s relatively successful, relatively nice. 

Jesus: Yes, successful, you would probably look up to him initially.

Mary: He’s not verbally abusing people or slapping them around; he’s abiding by all society’s rules. That’s what you mean, isn’t it?

Jesus:Yes, he was at times violent, but the average guy on Earth today …

Mary: And you wouldn’t know

Jesus: You wouldn’t know. He had a terrible attitude towards women, but you look at the average middle to upper class guy. The average middle to upper class guy would visit a prostitute if he had the opportunity, go and watch a strip show if some friends invited him. 

Mary: Not consider how his business dealings might create pain and suffering …

Jesus: … for others. 

Female Participant 5: What age did he pass? Do you know?

Jesus: Old age he said.

Mary: Somewhere like seventy

Jesus: Yes, close to seventy

Mary: Yes, between sixty and seventy

Female Participant 2: I’ve been having this thing lately where I’m trying to pray more and establish a relationship maybe with God, and I’m finding random memories are coming to me and feelings about them from my life. At the time it feels like, well that’s random, that’s not what I thought I needed to feel about. Is this the record starting to pop up?

Jesus: Yes, God tries to help you by saying, this is blocking you, this is blocking you, this is blocking you, this is blocking you, does that make sense?

Female Participant 2: Since you said it, I’ve been praying probably every day, help me see what I am blind to, and these things are coming …

Jesus: Yes, so let yourself feel about them and think about them. Don’t sort of go, oh, that’s left field I need to ignore that. Trust that God is sharing with you the best way forward.

Anyway guys, it’s been lovely having a chat today.

The discussion for the afternoon concludes.

With thanks to the volunteers who took photos for this post and transcribed the discussion with Gregor

(*Marie: reference to a person described in the book ‘Through the Mists’ channelled by Robert James Lees)

Highlighting the Work of Generous Individuals

There are four individuals who currently work (most of them full time) for the God’s Way Ltd not for profit organisation. They are Eloisa Lytton-Hitchins, Catherine Spence, Cornelius (David Walsh) and Kate Eckersall.

Eloisa, Cornelius & Kate provide essential services to both God’s Way Ltd and Divine Truth Pty Ltd. Without them, Jesus and I would not be able to achieve the day to day requirements of managing God’s Way Ltd, or be able to provide as many Divine Truth Pty Ltd services free of charge as we do.

Catherine provides finances for all of God’s Way Ltd operations. All current God’s Way Ltd operations would be impossible without her constant help.


Eloisa is the Managing Director and Company Secretary of God’s Way Ltd. She is also the Administration Branch Manager, and the Environment Branch Manager (she manages the day to day operations of all administration and environment projects) for God’s Way Ltd.

She currently does not receive any payment for these services from either Divine Truth Pty Ltd or God’s Way Ltd.

Eloisa’s current roles include:

  • Full Time Unpaid Volunteer, God’s Way Ltd & Divine Truth Pty Ltd, Australia
  • Member, Managing Director & Company Secretary, God’s Way Ltd, Australia
  • Branch Manager, Administration, God’s Way Ltd, Australia
  • Branch Manager, Environment, God’s Way Ltd, Australia

Eloisa’s contributions include:

  • Gifted 1/4 finances to purchase 600 acres of land (Environment Centre) for God’s Way Ltd
  • Gifted 1/2 finances to purchase God’s Way Ltd servers
  • Operations Manager of God’s Way Ltd Accounts & Legal
  • Operations Manager of all God’s Way Ltd Environmental Projects
  • Management of volunteer activities for God’s Way Ltd
  • Manages, co-ordinates and performs manual labour for environmental projects
  • Mentors and trains new God’s Way Ltd managers
  • Manages and co-ordinates meetings and recording sessions
  • Manages and provides day to day accounting and legal requirements of God’s Way Ltd
  • Handles research, accounts orders and payments, and volunteer training for God’s Way Ltd

Jesus is able to delegate many of these tasks to Eloisa because she sincerely practices and implements Divine Truth teachings in her personal life, and remains a very humble person. Jesus has mentored Eloisa in each role she has in the God’s Way Ltd organisation since 2016. He is very confident in Eloisa’s abilities, and enjoys the process of mentoring her because of her humility and passion for God’s Truth, her strong desire to have a relationship with God and to be a loving person in every aspect of her life.

Eloisa’s dedication to living God’s Way and managing God’s Way Ltd organisation greatly reduces the amount of time Jesus and I would otherwise have to spend completing these tasks in order for to the company to remain solvent and operational.

At the moment Eloisa uses her personal funds to pay all of her living expenses. She recieves a very small sum each month via donations. This is not a sustainable situation for her and unless she begins to receive more substantial and regular donations she may need to return to regular work as a teacher. Eloisa has a Masters Degree in Education.

Eloisa has enough personal funds to support her and her three children for about another year before she will need to seek employment elsewhere. If that happens, her return to work would severely affect everything Jesus and I are attempting to achieve. Most God’s Way Ltd operations would need to close down.

At the moment, Eloisa is the person that we would most like to receive donated funds. If she could receive enough donated funds, or Divine Truth Pty Ltd could receive more funds to cover her employment, then we have an excellent manager to sustain the development of the God’s Way organisation in Australia.

To donate to Eloisa:


Catherine is a Director of, and a part time unpaid volunteer for, God’s Way Ltd. She currently does not receive any payment from either Divine Truth Pty Ltd or God’s Way Ltd.

Catherine’s current roles include:

  • Part Time Unpaid Volunteer, God’s Way Ltd, Australia
  • Member & Director of God’s Way Ltd

Catherine’s contributions include:

  • Gifted all finances to purchase 400 acres of land (Function Centre) for God’s Way Ltd
  • Gifted 1/2 finances to purchase 600 acres of land (Environment Centre) for God’s Way Ltd
  • Gifted 1/2 finances to purchase God’s Way Ltd servers
  • Gifted all finances to build Divine Truth Pty Ltd recording studio
  • Gifted Bulldozer, Excavator and Tractor for God’s Way Ltd Environment Projects
  • Continues gifting backup financial funding for all God’s Way projects
  • Continues gifting operational expenses for God’s Way Ltd Environment Projects
  • Continues gifting operational expenses for God’s Way Ltd Building Projects

Due to her passion for Divine Truth and for the goals of the God’s Way Ltd organisation, Catherine donates a substantial amount of funds every year to God’s Way operations (over $150,000 per annum). This is not a sustainable situation for her or the organisation. If she continues to contribute similar amounts, she will run out of funds within four to five years.

If others could contribute to God’s Way Ltd projects directly, then her funds can be used either for building the Function Centre, as backup funds to sustain the company in case of sudden unexpected costs or in times when other donations reduce.

Of course, Catherine no longer providing these funds would severely affect everything Jesus and I are attempting to achieve with God’s Way Ltd. Without Catherine’s contributions most areas of God’s Way Ltd operations would cease.

Catherine doesn’t feel that she needs any donations from others at this time, but the more that others donate to the God’s Way projects she supports, the more funds she can provide to God’s Way Ltd to help build our Function Centre Stage 1 Power, Auditorium, Kitchen and Visitor facilities.

You can donate to God’s Way Ltd directly here:


Cornelius (David Walsh) is a Member of, and a full time, partially paid, worker/volunteer for God’s Way Ltd. He currently does receive some payments from Divine Truth Pty Ltd and God’s Way Ltd.

Cornelius works very closely with Jesus on building plans and building materials research required for both the new construction and renovation of God’s Way Ltd infrastructure and building projects here on our personal property. These projects include, a large scale shed extension, new shed buildings, the caretakers’ home renovation, new cabins to replace our eco tents, and the Function Centre building development.

He is the only carpenter/builder currently working for God’s Way Ltd and Divine Truth Pty Ltd which means that he also physically implements (builds) the projects. He supervises and liases with external contractors, God’s Way Ltd volunteers, and private individuals employed by Jesus and I to assist with building on our property, and for the God’s Way Ltd organisation.

Jesus and Cornelius are often looking for alternate means and innovation when approaching building and spend many hours brainstorming and logically analysing possible solutions.

Cornelius’ current roles include:

  • Full Time (Partially Paid) Volunteer, God’s Way Ltd & Divine Truth Pty Ltd, Australia
  • Member & Branch Manager, Building & Construction, God’s Way Ltd, Australia
  • Builder & Camera Operator, Divine Truth Pty Ltd, Australia

Cornelius’ contributions include:

  • Building services for Divine Truth Pty Ltd & God’s Way Ltd
  • Building design for Divine Truth Pty Ltd & God’s Way Ltd
  • Building material research for Divine Truth Pty Ltd & God’s Way Ltd
  • Management of volunteer activities for God’s Way Ltd
  • Primary camera operator at Divine Truth events
  • Backup video switcher at Divine Truth events

Cornelius is a builder with over 35 years experience working in domestic, industrial, commercial and civil construction.

Cornelius currently receives small payments from God’s Way Ltd and Divine Truth Pty Ltd of $1000 per month from each organisation, or $2000 per month total. This is the same amount Jesus and I pay ourselves from the Divine Truth Pty Ltd organisation.

If others could contribute to Cornelius directly, then God’s Way Ltd or Divine Truth Pty Ltd would not need to pay him directly, which would make more of the funds we receive available for projects and teaching.

You can donate to Cornelius here:


Kate is also a keen musician, she is in the centre singing with Jesus & Tristan

Kate is a full time paid worker for God’s Way Ltd. She currently does receive payments from Divine Truth Pty Ltd and God’s Way Ltd.

Under Jesus’ direction she is helping to redesign our website and writing important programming code which will simplify our day to day running requirements. She manages the Divine Truth transcription and translation teams.

She is also involved in the redesign of the God’s Way Ltd website (which will closely resemble the Divine Truth website). This includes providing programming assistance to design new Project Pages which summarise projects and their progress on the new God’s Way website.

Kate assists managers with various technical shortcuts and strategies to streamline information sharing. Along with Jesus, she provides input on database compilation and creation now underway within the Environment Branch (database creation will also expand into other branches over time).

Kate’s current roles include:

  • Full Time Paid Volunteer, Divine Truth Pty Ltd & God’s Way Ltd, Australia
  • Programmer, Divine Truth Pty Ltd & God’s Way Ltd, Australia
  • Manager Transcription & Translation Teams, Divine Truth Pty Ltd, Australia

Kate’s contributions include:

  • HTML, CSS, and Javascript Programming
  • Website & Web Applications Programming
  • Visual Basic & Visual Basic For Applications Programming
  • Programmer for the Transcription & Translation Team
  • Maintain Code for Transcription, Translations, Transliterations, Subtitling & Book Production
  • CAD Drawing for Machines, Tools, Function Centre & Housing
  • Computer training for all God’s Way members

Kate holds a Bachelor Degree of Information Technology.

Kate currently does receive payments from God’s Way Ltd of $1000 per month, and $2000 per month from Divine Truth Pty Ltd, or $3000 per month total. She is our highest paid volunteer, mostly because she pays rent for the house she lives in (while all the other volunteers mentioned above own their own home).

Without Kate helping him, it would be very difficult for Jesus, since he would have to do all of the programming that Kate does in order for us to share Divine Truth for free.

If others could contribute to Kate directly, then God’s Way Ltd or Divine Truth Pty Ltd would not need to pay her directly, which would make more funds we receive avialable for projects and teaching.

To donate to Kate:


As mentioned above, Eloisa does not receive any funds at all from God’s Way Ltd, or from Divine Truth Pty Ltd. Eloisa, Kate and Cornelius are each fully qualified in their chosen fields and would receive quite a lot more money than they currently do if they were to work in those professions.

You can read more about their professional qualifications and experience in the appendix A of the 2020 God’s Way Ltd Directors’ Report.

If you would like to see projects in both God’s Way Ltd and Divine Truth Pty Ltd continue, making a regular donation to Eloisa as a priority, and then to Kate and Cornelius, would greatly assist us. It would mean that Jesus and I, Divine Truth Pty Ltd, or God’s Way Ltd would not need to pay them directly.

Of course, one off donations are always welcomed and assist us greatly. But if each person currently listening to Divine Truth could afford to gift $10 per month, $100,000 per month would be available, which is well beyond what we would need to not only pay all those who are fulltime voluntary workers, but would also be enough for us to easily complete at least the first stage of our Function Centre Power, Auditorium, Kitchen and Visitors build. At the moment, less than 1 in 100, or 1% of people regularly donate to Divine Truth Pty Ltd, and far less regularly donate to God’s Way Ltd.

If Eloisa, Cornelius and Kate received enough donations directly, they could focus solely on their roles within Divine Truth Pty Ltd and God’s Way Ltd, removing concerns about the potential need to seek paid employment elsewhere. This would also enable God’s Way Ltd and Divine Truth Pty Ltd to use the funds currently paid to Kate and Cornelius towards other projects.

All of these individuals and their donation details are also listed on the Divine Truth volunteer donation page:

Thank you for considering the situation of these sincere individuals who aspire to live God’s Way.

A letter about Coronavirus & vaccination

Dear AJ and Mary,

Thanks for the wonderful truths you have shared with the world. I have loved them.
I have heard that you are supporting the recent vaccines from several sources including Alex.
It makes me wonder if you are fully informed about what you are supporting.

Do you know

1.  The ingredients and contents of the vax
2.  The intentions of the creators of the vax
3.  The efficacy or effectiveness of the vax

It seems to me that it would not be ethical to support the vax without being fully informed about these issues.

So, I wonder, have you researched these issues, or do you disagree with my analysis of what is ethical?

Hope you are well,

Wattle in bloom – God’s Way Ltd Function Centre

Hi Kris

I find it very revealing that your email to me (is it your first communication with me?) contains no desire to discuss issues regarding a relationship with God, loving principles affecting yourself and your behaviour, or anything about your own soul condition. These are areas that I personally wish to discuss and I have virtually no interest at all in discussing vaccines.

I must say though that, like you, many others have sent emails with a similar theme, usually criticizing what they believe I have said or done without personally having had any interaction with me, and without bearing in mind that all third party musings are subject to being modified by the condition of love existing in the people sharing them. I also must say that these kinds of questions demonstrate many unloving motives, including a large amount of fear, presumption and arrogance in the person sending them to me.

That being said, I will provide a short (and certainly not complete) answer to your questions, as I currently have a little time to do so. So here goes.

In regards to disease, what happens to a person’s physical body is directly under the control of the soul and its condition of love, and limited by the physical design parameters of the body itself.

Voluntarily medical procedures (including taking a vaccine) are of no direct risk to the soul and its development, nor do they generally interfere with the soul’s relationship with God. Indirectly, engaging medical procedures frequently indicates a high degree of fear about death and pain, and if the soul is in any degree of fear, this is, of course, very damaging to a relationship with God and with others.

From the soul’s perspective, there are many loving reasons why a person with limited development in love may consider taking a vaccine, however, once a soul is completely in harmony with God’s Love, there is never any need for any vaccine.

However, even in a condition of at-onement with God, there may be reasons why a person chooses to use a vaccine even though they do not need one (such as conforming to Human made Laws in order to more easily share God’s Truth), but there would be no fear of any vaccine. The vaccine of choice would be one that mimics as closely as possible the normal process of being exposed to a virus. Fear of death is not a valid reason for taking a vaccine, just as fear of a vaccine is not a valid reason for refusing a vaccine. Fear is the primary cause of all human problems, and fear itself is in direct contradiction to love.

Taking a vaccine is potentially very risky for the physical body, unless the vaccine mimics as closely as possible the normal process of being exposed to a virus. God has made the human body with the ability to cope with many risks, and, as long as the soul is in harmony with love, the body will respond to any virus in a loving manner by creating its own resilience to the infection.

Medicines or drugs (including recreational drugs, alcohol, caffeinated coffee, etc) can interfere with the soul’s connection to the body by interfering with the communication of information between the spirit body and the physical body through the silver cord that connects the two bodies. They can also interfere with the correct operation of the body by interfering with the design parameters of the body such as the brain, hormones, the nervous system, the vascular system and so on. So under many circumstances medicines or drugs can be permanently dangerous to the body itself.

Medicines or drugs (including recreational drugs, alcohol, caffeinated coffee, etc) can also be dangerous to the soul if the person taking them feels or acts out of harmony with love towards oneself or others either in the motivation to take, or under the influence of, such compounds. Of course, a vaccine is often less dangerous to the soul than something like alcohol, drugs, or coffee is, since a person addicted to alcohol, drugs, or coffee often acts unlovingly to others, whereas it is highly unlikely a person will become addicted to a vaccine, and less likely they will act unlovingly due to taking a vaccine (although the current superior attitude that often develops from taking a vaccine of course does affect the development of the soul).

On the other hand, many people refusing a vaccine are very unloving and superior as well, and they often resort to very unloving behaviour towards others, which of course damages their own soul condition. It is ironic that they try to “protect” their body in a flawed manner, but further destroy their soul condition by their actions and attitudes. The best protection of the body comes from soul condition improvements.

A person can be in a loving state and take a vaccine, and they also can be in a loving state and not take a vaccine. It depends very much on the motivation of the individual and if fear is driving either decision.

I do not know what you have been told Kris, but I personally do not “support” (as you call it) any vaccine. You do not know me personally very well, and have not had any real personal discussions with me. Listening to or believing other persons interpretations of what I have said or believe, and then accusing me based upon your assumptions, is very unloving behaviour towards me, and illustrates my points above. Of course, the persons who have shared their erroneous interpretations of what I have said with you are also being unloving to me and to you.

If you must get a vaccine at all, I do personally believe that some vaccines are safer than others to use (due to the technology used within the vaccine). If you wish to get a vaccine, that is your personal decision, just as if you wish to not have a vaccine, that is also your personal decision. What you do with your body and its safety is your personal responsibility. I have no business interfering with your personal decision, and no doctor or government has any business interfering with your personal decision either, just as you have no business interfering with my personal decision (which is one of your bad motives I was talking about at the beginning of this email). Of course, any personal decision you make that is out of harmony with love towards your soul or the soul of others, will damage your soul.

The current fearful political, social and economic climate regarding vaccines, and the unloving intentions of governments and many of the earth’s industries (such as but not limited to the pharmaceutical, weapons manufacturing, media, and social media companies), is where much more damage is occurring to humanity at the soul level.

These matters certainly deserve exposure and discussion from God’s perspective. God expects humans to solve these severe problems but they can only be solved by changing our condition of love as individuals. Loving individuals create loving governments and industry.

The current COVID panic (read panic, not pandemic), being the result of greed and fear, indicates severe problems in the human condition which existed before the COVID panic. COVID has merely highlighted these issues to westerners in particular. Much of the world’s population was already living with the consequences of unloving and corrupt government and industry before the COVID panic, and western government and industry is often the cause of a huge amount of pain and injustice for all of humanity.

As I have said to everyone I have spoken to, I personally have no intention of getting a vaccine unless:

1. It can be proven to me that the vaccine mimics as closely as possible the normal process of being exposed to a virus, and;

2. I have a reason that is loving towards others to get the vaccine (such as improving my flexibility to travel in order to share Divine Truth personally with others).

I have no desire to dictate to others (as you obviously do) as to what they should do. I have taught for many years God’s principles of Love and Truth, along with God’s Laws, and many like yourself, through comments made in emails to me, demonstrate they do not understand the fundamentals God’s Laws, the Soul, and the Principles of Love and Truth. This indicates that either the listener is insincere, or/and that I have much more work to do sharing these truths.

If people emailing me about COVID and vaccines did understand God’s Laws, the Soul, and the Principles of Love and Truth, they would feel like I do, and have virtually no interest at all in discussing vaccines, but rather would be much more interested in discussing matters about their own personal soul development, and understanding better God’s principles of Love and Truth, and be even more strongly motivated to bring their own soul and its actions into harmony with God’s Loving Laws.

Instead, I see most people, including those who have been listening to God’s Truth, living in their addictions and fears, and COVID has become a trigger for their justification of even more unloving actions. This is very unfortunate, but it does expose the true soul condition of the individual.

Anyway Kris, that is all I have the time to share on the subject at the moment. Remember that I am interested in your soul’s welfare first. I encourage you to be more interested in developing the loving condition of your soul, rather than using unloving behaviour to attempt to control things that only love can solve.

Your friend

Jesus & Mary Update: February 2022

Hello & Thank you

Hello and thank you to all of you who have written to us over the past year to say hello, express your gratitude, or to ask how we are. We are both very well and I’ll share below the things that have our attention and focus at the moment.

We also express our gratitude to those of you who continue to donate to us. Even when we are not publishing new material, we are always recording material, and planning and experimenting with ways to share God’s Truth with the world.

Our desire is that any person can easily access and hear God’s Truth free of charge, in a way that they can understand and relate to. This creates the opportunity for people to experiment with their relationship with God. Once a person has that relationship their faith grows and they can continue to develop with God for the rest of their existence. So, as you will read below, even while we are not publishing new material on the internet, our focus and projects are all still working towards that aim.

Flowers in Wilkesdale

Current Projects & Activities

Personal Progression

Jesus and I continue to be focused on our personal progression towards God and our relationship with each other. Our personal happiness depends on our progression. Also, our ability to present God’s Truth to you depends on our ability to remember God’s Truth and live it ourselves.

We know that our example does a great deal to inspire others to engage their own experiments with God’s Way, and so we are very focused on continuing to develop a more complete connection to our own soul and to God. This is of primary importance to us, and takes precedence above everything else we do.

But let’s proceed discussing the less important areas now.

Website Upgrade

The Divine Truth website has been in need of an upgrade for some years. The website contains many thousands of links to videos, audio, and written material. There is so much material on our website that it is difficult to discover the full extent of what is available, and often much more difficult again to find specific material.

To remedy this, Jesus, along with our programmer, Kate Eckersall, has been working on changes to the website to include a number of new features that will improve any user’s ability to find and utilise the information on the site.

Features include:

  • the ability to search all material and find specific material matching key words, chapters, sessions, date, title, topic or type of material
  • the ability to save searches to your local computer, and recall previous searches from your computer
  • a navigation bar which includes a tool bar and a menu bar
  • allowing all pages and searches to scroll beneath the tool bar and menu bar, so that the tool and menu bars are always available
  • a menu structure that is representative of the site layout
  • the ability to easily track browsing history
  • a side bar allowing quick jumps to various predetermined locations on the site
  • quick links to external sites (such as YouTube, our Divine Truth server, event bookings, this blog, God’s Way website etc)
  • the ability to easily copy hyperlinks to share or save material
  • the ability to trigger the opening of data in new tabs
  • updated colours and photographs
  • new formats for embedded and external photo galleries
  • an autogenerated and up to date ‘What’s New’ feature
  • all Divine Truth and God’s Way websites will be static websites
  • every Divine Truth and God’s Way website will be able to be copied and used offline
  • all Divine Truth and God’s Way data will be able to be downloaded, as individual files, or as a complete package of files
Note: the new toolbar taking shape and slightly different colours

In addition, individual videos will be able to be downloaded or streamed via the website from a Divine Truth server, removing our dependency on YouTube, and removing your annoyance of having to watch videos that keep being interrupted by advertising and marketing.

The God’s Way Ltd website will use different colours but will have identical features, look and feel to the Divine Truth website. Any new website created by either organisation will also have a the same features, look and feel. This should help users to become familiar and comfortable navigating on sites relating to Divine Truth teachings.

New God’s Way Ltd website: under construction

When a person gains a copy of all Divine Truth material, or God’s Way material, either through the Hard Disc Drive copy service or the sync service via the Divine Truth server, the website is also copied. In this case, all of the website links and the new features, such as the search function, are functional offline and can be used to access any of the Divine Truth or God’s Way videos, audio recordings and written material contained on the local disc without needing a connection to the internet.

I’ll make a post on this blog when the new websites are live. We expect them to be completed in about 3 months time.

Internet Connection

As I mentioned in our previous update, Jesus continues to work on our technical set up to allow for livestream presentations.

The aim is not only to stream presentations but also to capture and keep high quality video of the presentation so that it may be edited and used in other material after the fact. The requirement to record high quality video of livestreams is more difficult to resolve, particularly if we wish to have interactions with people via the internet. It is taking some time to sort out these issues, and we may still need to purchase extra technical equipment to make streaming from our location possible. We hope to resolve these difficulties within the next 3 months, technical problems and financial issues permitting.

The limiting factor preventing us from holding livestreams up until now has been a reliable, high speed internet connection with low latency. Over the past couple of years, as in most parts of the world, travel in Queensland has been restricted. So our plans to start live streams from locations which have lower latency internet connections than those in our remote location were prevented.

As I have mentioned in prior updates, our internet connection here in rural Queensland currently relies on a satellite which introduces latency of up to 2 seconds during video calls or conferencing. These delays make livestreams involving interaction with anyone in the world impossible. To combat this problem Jesus initially set up a high gain radio antenna which accesses a mobile phone network around 5kms away from the studio. However various factors, including rapidly growing trees (thanks to our environmental projects) blocking the signal, have made that upgrade unreliable. We have attempted to remove some branches to improve the connection, but ultimately the connection is always going to have service difficulties since our studio is in a radio blackout area, and our installed high gain antennas are not above the tree heights. To get an antenna system installed that is above the tree height (above 50m) would be expensive, and at the moment that is cost prohibitive.

The high gain radio antenna is installed

Just yesterday we received a SpaceX satellite connection which will potentially provide coverage in our area. But there are a number of technical issues relating to the SpaceX equipment which must be resolved. These include; high power usage, tree obstruction and lack of ethernet cable connection (preventing connection to our network).

Once Jesus sorts out the technical and obstruction issues and establishes a connection to our network, we hope that having the SpaceX service will allow us to begin streaming. So I hope I am not being presumptuous when I say, “we look forward to seeing you ‘live’ sometime soon”.

God’s Way Organisation

Jesus and I have been spending a lot of our time working within the God’s Way Ltd organisation. This not for profit company was established by Jesus and I, and Eloisa Lytton-Hitchins and Catherine Spence, as a vehicle for the practical application and experimentation with Divine Truth principles in areas such as human relationships, environmental recovery, education and science.

Over the past year, Jesus has spent a great deal of time educating all God’s Way managers and probationary volunteers how to be humble, desire truth, and to love in real practical settings within the organisation.

Jesus speaks with volunteers

I have recently been taking opportunities to manage volunteer days as well as continuing in my role as editor and creator for information sharing.

Cornelius and Mary on a volunteer management day
Eloisa, Mary & Elias on a volunteer day

There is a lot being accomplished by the God’s Way Ltd organisation at the moment, far too much to share with you in this blog post. Everything we do for God’s Way is exciting, and we hope to be able to share more with you in the future about this.

Lunch break for volunteers on a God’s Way Ltd Environment Day
Volunteers take part in environmental work in Wilkesdale

Function Centre Build

I am however pleased to share with you that via the God’s Way Ltd organisation, we are moving towards our desire to build a God’s Way Function Centre on a local God’s Way Learning Centre property. The Function Centre will include an auditorium, office, visitors centre and various private accommodation for caretakers, managers and visitors.

The Function Centre will be owned and operated by God’s Way Ltd but would serve as a venue for both Divine Truth and God’s Way events. In addition, Jesus and I hope that eventually at least one God’s Way Function Centre would be constructed on each continent, and that Jesus and I would spend the majority of our time traveling between these centres to teach Divine Truth.

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These centres would also offer a place for guests external to those organisations to visit and share loving and beneficial information in harmony with God’s Truth, on subjects such as, environmental recovery, human relationships, teaching and parenting. Every event would be free to attend, open to everyone, and would be recorded and shared for free via the internet.

Having a purpose built venue would:

  • Allow Divine Truth and God’s Way presentations to become regular weekly events
  • Eliminate the recording problems experienced at third party venues. Currently, at every new venue we encounter serious recording problems affecting our production, including radio interference, acoustic problems, lighting difficulties, and more
  • Allow better time management and efficiency, since the venue could remain set up and ready to be used. This saves significant time currently spent to dismantle our studio, pack up the equipment in the studio for travel, travel to the venue, unpack equipment into the venue, set up recording. Then, when the event is finished the entire process must be reversed to get our studio operating again. Not having to do this would save large amounts of Jesus’ time in particular.
  • Create flexibility for scheduling events, and enable much more frequent seminars, groups and presentations. Currently we encounter many time and scheduling limitations involved in the delivery of events, besides the above studio dismantle and venue set up, such as, being at the mercy of venue booking scheduling, time lost moving to and from venues, venues not having the appropriate facilities for our participants or for recording and so forth.
  • Reduce overall costs once the facility is built. At the moment venue hire costs are increasing substantially, this money would be better spent on building and maintaining the God’s Way Ltd facility. In addition, at any current event we also must hire accommodation and allow for travel costs to venues. Since any venue owned by God’s Way will have a place for visiting speakers to stay, these costs all disappear.
  • Enable frequent God’s Way presentations on topics such as environmental recovery, human relationships, teaching and parenting, children and families.
  • Allow for visiting guest speakers to present on topics in harmony with God’s Principles. All presentations would be free and open to the public.
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Jesus has so much more information to share and at times I feel sad and frustrated by the great limitation that logistical requirements create in preventing him from sharing new material every week (something I know he would enjoy and many others could benefit from).

Building God’s Way Function Centres would eliminate many current difficulties and barriers to Jesus sharing Divine Truth publicly (though until there are more video and audio editors than just Jesus and I there will still be restrictions on how quickly recorded presentations can be shared via the internet. I talk more about this below).

The process of building would also offer many opportunities for groups of volunteers to come together and put the principles of God’s Way and Divine Truth into practical action.

Members discuss Function Centre logistics with building materials in the background

Jesus has worked very hard over the past few months to create a number of design options for the centre. Some of these are now available to view here:

Jesus has had a lot of experience, both in the Jehovah’s Witness faith and as a property developer, designing, overseeing and taking part in the construction of auditoriums, housing developments and their additional facilities. Cornelius is a builder with over 35 years experience (not including lego). Together they are now working on finalising various details, including structural engineering, planning and building material requirements for the Function Centre. Once our requirements are finalised, and enough funds are raised to begin the project, plans will be submitted to local government for approval.

The finished facility will be the property of the not for profit, member based, God’s Way Ltd company. Jesus and I and the other members of God’s Way Ltd are donating our personal funds towards the construction of the centre. Of course we don’t currently have enough money to fund the entire build.

Members & Archie survey the site for the new Function Centre

Until now, almost all expenses of God’s Way Ltd have been paid for by Jesus and I, Catherine Spence and Eloisa Lytton Hitchins. These costs include the payment of wages, operational costs involving three large properties; the purchase and maintenance of machinery, including a bulldozer, excavator, tractors, trucks; installation of water collection and management systems; house renovations; a major shed extension; new shed builds etc. While the organisation now receives smaller donations for some programmes these are not enough to cover the total costs associated with individual projects, programmes, or the company running expenses, which include accounting, insurances, machinery maintenance and many other things.

Divine Truth Pty Ltd, a private company which Jesus and I run, pays for all operational expenses associated with Divine Truth including providing a wage for Jesus and I. We are grateful that Divine Truth Pty Ltd receives enough donations to cover these expenses and allows us to donate a limited amount to God’s Way. But at present Divine Truth Pty Ltd and God’s Way Ltd do not receive enough to fund any new development.

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God’s Way Ltd has freehold ownership of the land that the Function Centre will be built on because of the generous support of Catherine Spence and Eloisa Lytton-Hitchins who donated the funds to purchase that land. However significantly more funds than the organisation currently has (which is largely the money that Jesus and I, Catherine and Eloisa have) will be required to start and complete the building project.

If you want to donate to support this building project, you can do so now via the donation pages already provided on the Divine Truth Donate Page (note the new tab to contribute specifically to Building Projects) or God’s Way Ltd website.

When our new websites are live there will be new and simpler donation methods on the God’s Way Ltd website. In the meantime, any excess funds donated to Divine Truth will also be used to get the building project up and running.

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Of course, one off donations, and donations from single benefactors are always welcomed and assist us greatly. But if each person currently listening to Divine Truth could afford to gift $10 per month, $100,000 per month would be available, which is well beyond what we would need to not only pay all those who are full time voluntary workers, but would also be enough for us to easily complete at least the first stage of our Function Centre Power, Auditorium, Kitchen and Visitors build. At the moment, less than 1 in 100 or 1% of people listening to Divine Truth regularly donate to Divine Truth Pty Ltd, and far less regularly donate to God’s Way Ltd.

Venues in other Countries

Jesus has a passionate desire to create God’s Way Lear