I have a large update coming to you later today but first, Jesus & I wanted to say a big thank you to all of you who have donated in response to our recent post about how our international servers, and volunteer Eugene, were impacted by Hurricaine Ian.
Thank you for your donations and offers of gifts to not only Eugene but to Divine Truth in order to us to assist us to reestablish our international servers.
Finally, thank you to those of you who have begun regular (or intermittent) donations to the other individuals who assist us. Your support makes a real difference.
The current methods we use to share Divine Truth teachings include live events, our website, our synchronization servers, Amazon Web Services (AWS), and videos via YouTube. To enable this sharing, we store all publicly accessible data on servers in Australia, Canada, and the USA, but only the Canadian servers currently allow public connections. The USA servers are used in the important role as a portal or an intermediate store to send and receive data securely between Australia and the rest of the world.
Some History
For nearly 5 years Gene (Eugene) Mindel in the USA has been assisting us by hosting 2 x rackmount dual CPU, 256GB RAM, 10G network, 48TB ZFS RaidZ2 servers 24×7 in his home, along with a permanent 1gbit/sec link to the internet.
Due to the large video file sizes of our Divine Truth video files, we cannot send them or upload them via the internet in Australia. Even our recently installed Starlink, our only unlimited internet connection, averages 10mbit/sec upload, and it fails completely at least 4 times per day. Jesus has examined all of the possible ways to improve this connection, and all of them we are currently unable to do (more about this in my next post).
Our minimum upload is usually 120GB at any one time, and sometimes, due to overseas server breakdown or changeovers etc, we need to upload around 4TB of data. Once God’s Way Ltd begins producing data, the upload requirements will quadruple. A 4TB upload would take 890 hours or more from our location (assuming the link did not fail). Uploads from an Australian internet connection in our location actually take much longer than physically sending via air freight a data package to Gene in the USA, and then remotely controlling the USA servers to upload the data worldwide, to our Canada server, YouTube, AWS and other services.
Jesus is able to remotely secure access the USA servers from any place in the world. Via this connection, he is able to economically upload and download data using the much higher speed and unlimited bandwidth allowances provided by internet connections in the United States.
We purchased the USA servers at our own expense (for around $30,000 USD, or $46,000 AUD total) in March 2018 (4.5 years ago) and had them sent to Gene’s home in Baltimore at the time. We also contribute to the monthly payment for the 1gbit/sec connection which our servers use at his home.
Jesus working on a server similar to the two in Eugene’s home
In 2021 Gene relocated to Florida, and eventually purchased a house in Sarasota, Florida. He continued to host the servers in each home he lived in, and in his current home, and while we haven’t uploaded new material to the internet in the past few years, Jesus continued to use the servers regularly to transfer data to us, to upload data to a replacement Canada server, and Jesus has continued to maintain the servers and keep them up to date in terms of software.
Although these servers are large, noisy and heavy, they store all of our shared public data, are very reliable, and can be remotely powered on and off (which is essential because Gene is often not home). These servers have played an essential part in our being able to share Divine Truth for free.
Hurricane Ian
At the end of September 2022 Hurricane Ian made landfall almost directly above Gene’s home in Sarasota, Florida. Gene and his partner Marina were forced to evacuate and their home suffered major structural and water damage as a large tree fell through the roof. One end of the home is relatively unscathed, but the other end, where Gene’s office and our servers were located, are damaged the most.
Gene and Marina’s clothing survived the Hurricane, but Gene’s office and the regions surrounding it, did not. They had to relocate to a motel for a few weeks until the structural damage could be assessed. Obviously since then they have been very busy, and do not know how long it will take to get their life back to normal, given the shortage of resources and workers after such a large disaster.
Their home was insured but as you can see from the photos there was a lot of damage to their house and personal possessions. At the moment he and Marina are living in motels.
If you would like to help Gene and Marina, there are a number of ways you can do so:
If anyone in the West Coast of Florida between Sarasota, FL and Venice, FL has a short term rental property that Gene and Marina can rent while they are waiting for the insurance situation to play out, and the house repairs to be complete, please email Gene: emindonline@gmail.com
If you would like to send any physical items, please email Eugene for a current address beforehand as his address is constantly changing at the moment.
If you would like to help Gene and Marina financially as they get back to normal, you can gift to them via Transferwise. Details and instructions are listed on Gene’s webpage: https://emindonline.wordpress.com/
Prior to Hurricane Ian making landfall, before leaving his home in a rush, Gene did his best to store and protect our servers. However due to the high amount of damage to his home they were not fully protected. Although his home was insured, our servers are not.
This is the room where the servers were. You can see the UPS in the corner. Gene was able to cover the servers under plastic before he and Marina evacuated.
So for many reasons, we have decided it is best for Gene to remove all of the drives from our servers (which are 35 x 4TB capacity, heavy and more than 6 years old) and give them away. Then he will send the servers back to us here in Wilkesdale, Queensland, Australia for Jesus to repair and repurpose to use in our racks here.
Jesus is also now building new, smaller servers which he can remote control (16 core XeonD processor, 128GB RAM, 80TB storage, video rendering) which cost around $12,000 AUD each. We intend to send these to Gene when his life is back to normal and his home is repaired, which may take some months or longer. While we have no servers in the USA, we will be unable to upload data to the internet, unless the data sizes are small enough to do it directly using our connections in Australia.
If you would like to contribute towards the costs of air freight to have the servers sent back to Australia (this is expected to be around $3000 USD or more), towards the repairs of the servers, or towards the new server setup in Gene’s home, then you can donate to us via the ‘Divine Truth General Expenses’ option on the donations page
As always, Jesus and I are grateful for your interest in our work sharing Divine Truth with the world. We would like to thank you for your interest in supporting the volunteers who help us as well.
Next week I will write a long update on what we have been doing this year.
During a recent informal discussion with God’s Way Ltd members, volunteers and probation volunteers we spoke with a spirit, Gregor, about his progress in the spirit world. We had been discussing with the group how Compensation operates in the spirit world.
Jesus had explained that when we enter the spirit world a record of our lives is presented to us; literally played before our eyes. This record is displayed until the workings of the Law of Compensation are fulfilled or until the person engages the repentance process (via the Law of Repentance) with God.
Photos in this post are of lunch discussions on God’s Way Ltd volunteer days. Gregor came to visit and speak during one such discussion.
Introduction
Mary channels Gregor, a fifth sphere spirit who describes his progress in the spirit world.
Gregor first describes his life on Earth, his location when he first arrived in the spirit world and his personal experience when God was not involved in his progress. He then goes on to describe what happened to enable God to assist with his progression and the differences that made.
Female Participant: Could you give some examples of say Nero progressing without God, and what the difference would have been had he involved God?
Mary: There were some spirits who came along and were talking about that, talking about how they had done it.
Jesus: Without God?
Mary: Without God and then …
Jesus: Would they like to answer the question?
(Mary tunes in)
Mary (Gregor): So, what would you like to know?
Jesus: Well, basically to explain to the group of people here, what it’s like to deal with a problem that you have faced as a part of your record of your life without God being involved, and then maybe compare that to something that you’ve dealt with, with God involved.
Mary: So maybe we’ll just have a spokesperson?
Jesus: Yes, that’s all good.
Mary (Gregor): So, on Earth I was a very intellectual man.
Jesus: What period of time did you live?
Mary (Gregor): The seventeen hundreds.
Jesus: Yes, no worries. What was your name by the way?
Mary (Gregor): Let’s say Greg for the sake of the translation.
Jesus: No worries. What country did you come from Gregor?
Mary (Gregor): Czechoslovakia, and so, yes, I was a very proud man on Earth, and I lived a selfish life.
Jesus: Perhaps you can help everyone understand what kind of life.
Mary (Gregor): Well, I was well to do.
Jesus: Yes, wealthy.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, and I took what I wanted when I wanted it.
Jesus: Yes, without much consideration for anyone’s thoughts about it.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, I didn’t care for the people in my care. I didn’t care for my family or my wife, or my employees, and I was often violent as well, in terms of …
Jesus: … enforcing your will.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, on others, and I was quite cruel also. I could see the suffering in my employees and people in my charge, and I didn’t care for them. Some of their children died from hunger and some people died of exposure, and I didn’t care.
So, when I passed into the spirit world, I was an old man and I felt that I was quite proud of my life, and I was denying the hardness in my heart, and for some years, for some fifty years I stayed around my lands.
Jesus: Your estate on Earth
Mary (Gregor): Yes, and eventually I realised I needed to enter the spirit world and so I did that, and I found that very hard.
Jesus: Because of the realities of your circumstance?
Mary (Gregor): Yes. I found the environment was very cold and hard around me.
Jesus: So, it mirrored what you’d learnt to become.
Mary (Gregor):Yes, it mirrored my heart; I know now.
Jesus: And you didn’t see the record just yet?
Mary (Gregor): No. I felt confused, angry. I felt …
Jesus: … like you didn’t deserve it.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, that there was an injustice, and I felt I should be able to bargain out of it.
Jesus: Wriggle yourself out of it.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, that I was smart, a clever man, I just needed to understand the system and I would get out.
Jesus: And then work the system after that.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, and that there must be some way to get out of this. Little did I know the real way to get out of it.
(Jesus laughs)
Jesus: The simple way to get out of it.
Mary (Gregor): That quality actually became a good quality – eventually.
Jesus: Eventually, once you knew.
Mary (Gregor): But at that point I wasn’t soft to the possibilities of how to get out of it, and so I faced the … what I called the wrath then, the punishment.
Jesus: The Law’s punishment
Mary (Gregor): The punishment
Jesus: Yes, and what was that like?
Mary (Gregor): So, eventually I found my environment was cold, hard, and very restricted.
Jesus: Claustrophobic
Mary (Gregor): Almost like I was in a small, cold, hard room and I didn’t see the record. I didn’t see the record for a long time and then … I don’t know what changed, I suppose it was time, and that I was always thinking there must be a way out of this. But it took me a long time to even consider … something … have an opening that maybe the way out of it was to face some problem in me.
Jesus: Yes.
Mary (Gregor): And as soon as I did that, then there was a chair and then I could sit, and then I was shown the record.
Jesus: So, there was a spirit who helped all of that, who gave you the chair and showed you the record, but you weren’t aware of them at this stage.
Mary (Gregor): I didn’t even know them or see them really.
Jesus: Yes, or even know they were there.
Mary (Gregor): That’s right.
Jesus: Just sort of magically appeared. (Jesus laughs)
Mary (Gregor): Yes, and I came to find the record was … it wasn’t like a written record as much as a …
Jesus: … sensory one.
Mary (Gregor): … an image record. Initially I didn’t have emotions about what I was seeing. I was just seeing … like what you would now say is a movie. I was seeing it again and not always in sequential order either.
Jesus: Just in terms of what came up at the time.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, there would just be different images. Sometimes it was, in the beginning, fleeting, and different things would be in my field of vision, if you like. Eventually I started to see things more, and see things more, and eventually more. It maybe took me eighty years to reach this point that I’m now talking about, maybe longer.
Jesus: So, this was a separate period? Fifty years and then eighty?
Mary (Gregor): Yes.
Jesus: So, fifty years to even just become …
Mary (Gregor): … to start to see the record.
Jesus: To get to see the record and then eighty years where you’re seeing the record but not really feeling much about it at this stage.
Mary (Gregor): No feeling.
Jesus: So, how were you feeling even having the record in front of you in that period of time? Were you just sick of seeing it?
Mary (Gregor): Yes, initially I was impatient.
Jesus: Yes, what’s this all about?
Mary (Gregor): Yes. Why?
Jesus: Why am I seeing it?
Mary (Gregor): Yes, why am I seeing this? Also, some of the things I was seeing I was thinking …
Jesus: … that’s not how it happened. (Laughter)
Mary (Gregor): That’s not how it happened, that’s not correct, and so I was impatient, impatient and not even angry. When I started to get angry …
Jesus: … that was better. (Laughs)
Mary (Gregor): Yes, this is how hard my heart was.
Jesus: So, in that hard area, you were just sick of seeing it – dismissive of it.
Mary (Gregor): Impatient
Jesus: What’s it there for, but not really wanting to know what it’s there for, and then really just getting sick and tired of it being there and trying to ignore it?
Mary (Gregor): Yes.
Jesus: So, that was eighty years of that?
Mary (Gregor): Yes, and then I started to get angry. I started to get angry that I didn’t want to see these things and I started to see more things; I started to see a sequence in my life, to see it more continuously.
Jesus: So, the more you got angry the more you saw?
Mary (Gregor): Yes, or I can’t tell which came first. I suppose it probably was, but it seemed to work. Do you know what I mean?
Jesus: Yes, I do, I’ve seen it many times, but these people haven’t, so we’ve got to describe it well.
Mary (Gregor): Well, the more angry I got, it seemed I saw more, and then that would make me more angry and then I would see more.
Jesus: That’s right.
Mary (Gregor): And then I would get more angry. So, I don’t really know what started it.
Jesus: Yes, exactly.
Mary (Gregor): Then after some time of that I began to feel pain – a lot of pain.
Jesus: Physical pain?
Mary (Gregor): Yes, physical …
Jesus: Sort of like torture.
Mary (Gregor): … restricting pain, as if there was vice around me pain, and then I started to feel sorry for myself.
Jesus: Yes, and angry about that.
Mary (Gregor): Yes. (Laughter)
Jesus: As you do.
Mary (Gregor): Why would I have to suffer like this?
Jesus: Yes, what have I done so bad.
Mary (Gregor): How dare I suffer like this, and then eventually I came to understand I was feeling the suffering that I had inflicted on others.
Jesus: That’s right, and at this stage you hadn’t cried very much, just more screaming about how bad it is?
Mary (Gregor): It was like you said – like being tortured. Like I was physically surviving a lot of pain all of the time, and then when I realised that I was experiencing the pain commensurate to what I had caused others – it took me a long time to see that – but I remember realising that. And then there was some emotion. I wouldn’t call that remorse … yet, but do you know that feeling of recognition when you finally understand something? It’s sort of a relief.
Jesus: Yes, sort of like a lightbulb moment of regret type of thing.
Mary (Gregor): Yes. I wouldn’t even say I regretted it.
Jesus: Not quite yet.
Mary (Gregor): But it was a relief to understand why I was in so much pain, and I wasn’t yet feeling, and I stopped feeling angry, because I could see a cause and effect then, and that was good.
Jesus: So, you sort of now more felt like, oh, I did deserve it?
Mary (Gregor): Well, I still didn’t feel like I had, I felt like, oh, I understand.
Jesus: It felt more like a recognition of, you did do those things.
Mary (Gregor): Yes. I understand and I understand that I didn’t understand that I was hurting people so much, or that I didn’t care I suppose, but because it made sense, somehow that was better that it made sense, why it was happening.
Jesus: Yes, because it’s worse isn’t it, when something is happening to you, and you have no rhyme or reason for it happening.
Mary (Gregor): I really felt like some of the lads you’re talking to here today, I couldn’t see why … that I had done anything wrong.
Jesus: That’s right.
Mary (Gregor): So, this whole process then was helping me start to understand I had done something wrong. Then once I realised that, then another gradual process started to happen where I started to feel some level of sorrow.
Jesus: Yes.
Mary (Gregor): I could start to relate the pain I had been through to the pain that others had had to go through because of me, and then I started to feel some sorrow, some sadness, some regret about that.
Jesus: About causing them that kind of pain.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, because now I knew what that was like, because I had suffered it.
Jesus: For yourself, because you had suffered it.
Mary (Gregor): Yes. So, I was doing that then for a long time as well. This sort of sadness and I gave myself over to it more then.
Jesus: So, we’re in the mid eighteen hundreds now, aren’t we? In terms of time on Earth?
Mary (Gregor): Yes, I guess so. So, I gave myself to that then.
Jesus: So, you started grieving properly and feeling that you had done those things, and that it was bad that you had done them and that kind of thing.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, and I probably did that for about fifty years, and I didn’t think much. Once I understood, because I was very logical – well I thought myself to be logical (Jesus chuckles) – I thought, well, this is what I have to do.
Jesus: Yes, it became quite clear to you that there was something involved with the law, pushing you in this direction.
Mary (Gregor): Once I understood that I had created that pain, it seemed like a kind of justice I suppose.
Jesus: Yes, an awareness of the justice.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, but I still feel my heart was not soft really. It was more a recognition of the scales of justice evening.
Jesus: Sort of like a reluctant recognition, and a reluctant emotional process now.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, I didn’t fight it anymore, but I didn’t feel soft in my heart. I didn’t feel what I would now call repentant for what I had done. There was just an acknowledgement, well, I need to go through this because I have done this.
Jesus: Because I deserve it.
Mary (Gregor): But there was no feeling of, I wish I could go back and undo it; I still didn’t really regret my life yet. I more or less just submitted to the process.
Jesus: Yes, you more regretted the situation you were in – more than regretted your life.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, I did initially. I was so angry about the process I was in, but then there came this strange switch where I just was like, ok, well this is what I am in, and I can’t change it; I gave up feeling I could change it and then I couldn’t really regret it either.
Jesus: Sort of like an acknowledgement, this is my reality now.
Mary (Gregor): Yes.
Jesus: For some reason did you still not understand the real reason why it was your reality, in the sense that, what was creating this reality?
Mary (Gregor): Well, my thought at that time was that I created it because of what I had created on Earth, so it was an evening of the scales.
Jesus: Got you, but you weren’t conscious of God’s Laws evening the scales.
Mary (Gregor): No. Just that I’m in a process that now makes sense.
Jesus: Has to be done.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, and I can see … I didn’t think beyond that really. Just that, okay, this has got to happen.
Jesus: So, now we’re Earth time nineteen hundred – close to?
Mary (Gregor): Yes, and so around that time I began to … I suppose there’s the softening of my heart happening then, because I’m allowing the pain, I’m not fighting the pain, and I am feeling some sorrow for what people had gone through.
Jesus: So, your heart, your soul softening through that natural process.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, and the more that I see the movie, the more that I see, more and more things.
Jesus: That are wrong in the movie.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, it’s becoming more refined, the things I see that went wrong in my life.
Jesus: Seeing more detail.
Mary (Gregor): And I understand now I was starting to see causes of why I had done wrong as well, but that happened very gradually over a period of time as I got more open or soft.
Then eventually there came a point, where I wished that I hadn’t done what I did for the sake of those people, not for my sake, but for their sake.
Jesus: Not for your sake.
Mary (Gregor): And that’s when everything changed.
Jesus: That’s when repentance begins.
Mary (Gregor): And that’s when I found people around me, people were there then.
Jesus: That cared about you.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, and I could look away from the screen and speak with people, before then I couldn’t even look away, I was like in a brace, and then they could talk to me, and that’s when I started the process with God.
Jesus: Wonderful. And the process with God, how long did that take in comparison? (Laughter)
Mary (Gregor): Well, I’m still in a process with God.
Jesus: Of course, of course, but you’re well progressed now.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, the pain and suffering ended very quickly by comparison.
Jesus: Can you explain where you are now for the sake of our friends here?
Mary (Gregor): Yes, I am in the fourth to fifth sphere; at that progression point now. So, that happened very rapidly in comparison.
Jesus: In comparison with the rest.
Mary (Gregor): Yes
Jesus: Because you basically stayed in that hellish state for close to two hundred and fifty years, didn’t you?
Mary (Gregor): Yes
Jesus: Then the rest started happening
Mary (Gregor): And then within eight or ten years I was in the top of the first sphere.
Jesus: Yes, and without as much pain and so forth.
Mary (Gregor): And I have been good since then.
Jesus: Have you also found though that each sphere, it’s like you have to learn more than the average person does, to get to the next one? Is that how it is a bit?
Mary (Gregor): What do you mean?
Jesus: In the sense that usually when we’ve had a bad start on Earth, in terms of being selfishly motivated on Earth, even the transition between each sphere is slowed down a bit. Our ability to grow is slowed down, unless we are really embracing our relationship with God, and most people on Earth don’t realise that.
They sort of feel that once they make a start that they should go as fast through as anybody else would type of thing. They don’t realise the legacy, I suppose you could say, of the injuries.
Mary (Gregor): I suppose I am very conscious of the legacy; I feel that’s a part of the legacy; I never begrudge my slowness now.
Jesus: Yes, because it’s all about releasing that legacy.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, and there was a lot of people that I wanted to …
Jesus: I’m not suggesting you’re slow compared to many.
Mary (Gregor): No, no I feel that …
Jesus: For many who are here, they would go, oh, it’s been a hundred years since then, and you’re now in the fifth sphere, why is that? Not understanding the legacy and how it impacts every part of your growth.
Mary (Gregor): Absolutely, there’s so many amends if I can call it that …
Jesus: Correct
Mary (Gregor): … that I want to make at every point of this journey.
Jesus: Of course
Mary (Gregor): And each progression I make, makes me more sensitive and I want to do more; my focus is as much backwards as it is forwards, if that makes sense.
Jesus: Correcting the errors of the past
Mary (Gregor): There are so many things that I want to correct from the past, and to assist those that I have harmed as much as I can, and their descendants and my descendants.
Jesus: And that’s the difficulty, isn’t it? We often don’t realise the full effects of what we do in the moment we do them, but then later we see the full effects and we go, gee, there’s so much to help undo now. Also, there is a feeling in your heart you want to help them.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, it’s a joy for me now. There’s always sorrows that are there.
Jesus: Of course
Mary (Gregor): I feel so grateful to know God now and I feel … I’m not in the rush for heavenly things, in the sense that I know that when I make things right, I’ll be there, and that feels right to me; that feels just also. Do you know what I mean?
Jesus: Yes, I feel one thing that might help you a bit though is, I feel at the moment you are slowing your progress down because you feel … a still fairly strong judgement of yourself. So, there’s a resistance to receiving God’s Love because of that judgement of yourself.
Mary (Gregor): I feel I will receive God’s Love to that degree when I am worthy of it.
Jesus: Yes, and that’s where the error is. It’s like there’s still the feeling that you have to almost earn it because of the past.
Mary (Gregor): Well, repair what I have done, I suppose.
Jesus: Well, that’s true but my suggestion would be to let more of God’s Love flow into your soul, ask for more. At the moment I feel you’re managing how much flows, because of that feeling of guilt about what you’ve done still existing. Sort of managing how much flows into your heart, do you know what I mean?
Mary (Gregor): Thank you, friend. Thank you for that. {Emotional/teary tone}
Jesus: I know it’s a bit tricky because it’s like when you feel bad about yourself, you most likely feel like undeserving of asking God for more Love.
Mary (Gregor): I want to ask God for Love for those that I have harmed.
Jesus: Yes, but this is what I am saying, you also need to ask God for Love for your own sake as well, and it feels to me the reason why you’ve taken it slowly, is because asking God is going to trigger some feelings that you have, about your own shame about yourself. Do you know what I mean?
Mary (Gregor): Yes, thank you. Thank you.
Female Participant 2: How did you start your relationship with God?
Jesus: Good question.
Female Participant 2: Or how did that come about?
Jesus: How did it start?
Female Participant 2: Yes.
Jesus: I think he sort of explained that already a bit, but perhaps he can illustrate that a bit more.
Mary (Gregor): So, at the time when I started to feel regret for the people I had harmed, then I had some men, who I now know were Celestial friends who were around me, suddenly I felt them around me, and they helped me to know that God didn’t judge me, which was very hard for me to understand.
As my friend was just pointing out, I’m still coming to understand that, but they encouraged me to ask God for God’s feelings about what I had done, and that turned out to be a really different experience than what I expected.
Female Participant 2: How so?
Mary (Gregor): I had to have a lot of courage to ask because I thought at that time God would want me … I almost felt that God would want me to suffer as I had been suffering until that point, and while I understand now God did want me to go through that process, once my heart had softened God didn’t want me too anymore.
I felt a great degree of recognition of my sin from God, but also, I felt compassion from God, and that’s what I wasn’t expecting.
I also learned in that process, in those first experiments, that I could ask God to help me really see what I had done to harm others, so I didn’t have to watch the movie continually. That God could show me precisely how I had hurt others, and so I really began to engage in that process with God really actively after that point. Does that answer your question?
Female Participant 2: Yes, thank you.
Jesus (to Female Participant 2): Are you also interested in terms of what triggered the start? Can you see what he has explained to you is like a gradual process of becoming awakened to the possibility of a relationship with God? It wasn’t all of a sudden he had an epiphany, and all of a sudden realise.
Also, remember in his early discussion he was saying how he entered the process of repentance first, and then that opened his heart to having a relationship with God as well.
Mary (Gregor): I think before then it would have been very hard, because obviously God has had a lot to say to me about how I have harmed others, and if I didn’t want to know that from God … if I didn’t want to know that that was true … I had reached a point where I was willing to accept that I had hurt others. If I wasn’t at that point, I think I would have been so blocked to what God wanted to say to me.
Female Participant2: Was there a reason why Divine Love spirits were attracted to you rather than natural love spirits? Did you have a feeling about God on Earth at all?
Mary (Gregor): No, I didn’t. I didn’t. I suppose … it’s a good question. I suppose it’s because I had a feeling growing, as I think I recounted already, a growing feeling of a natural justice as to what was happening to me, and I think that that opened me to a feeling that there was somebody in charge of that justice. But I’d never really stopped to ask that question of myself, as to why exactly those friends came to me.
Jesus: I think that’s a pretty spot-on answer though.
Female Participant3: Did you have a religious background at all?
Jesus: He was aware of religion but …
Mary (Gregor): I would say I was involved in the way that society would ask me to be involved in religion, but I had no feeling beyond it being a societal ritual.
Jesus: And a tool to get to more power perhaps
Mary (Gregor): A construct of the society I suppose you’d say.
Female Participant3: And a punishing God, a sort of a religious note?
Mary (Gregor): No, I had no feeling; no feeling that I would ever be punished; no feeling of a God.
Jesus: You can’t do the things that he decided to do without having no feeling, you have to have no feelings.
Female Participant2: Was there some similarity from the time that you came into our conversation today, did you harm your soulmate while you were on Earth, like Nero?
Mary (Gregor): I was drawn when you were discussing the … well actually, I think John really brought me.
Jesus: The Apostle John?
Mary (Gregor): Yes. It was because there was the discussion of the record, and he knows that I would like to talk about it. I hadn’t met him, but he knew that I knew, and so he brought me then.
There was a lot of amends that I had to make towards my wife, but she wasn’t my soulmate. I haven’t met my soulmate yet. I’m not aware, I think I would have been told if I had hurt my soulmate, but perhaps I’m being told now about something prompted; perhaps it’s something I need to investigate.
I feel a great deal of sorrow about how I treated my wife in particular on Earth, and I have been feeling that sorrow for quite some time, working through that in many different ways. As far as I am aware she is not my soulmate, I don’t feel that she is and I don’t see a connection between us, but I haven’t yet made a connection with my soulmate.
Jesus: That’s common too, it’s usually in the fifth sphere that most spirits have any connection to their soulmates, because it takes time to deal with the inter-gender emotional issues.
Mary (Gregor): Thank you for letting me share my story.
(Audience expresses gratitude for Gregor coming to speak)
Mary (Gregor): I feel very passionately about The Way, but I also feel the pain that I went through after my passing was very just also. I am involved in assisting other people who are going through the same pain that I went through.
Jesus: In terms of helping them find a way while they’re in the compensatory process.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, and I pray for them a lot, that they’ll reach that point of recognition of regret, of the harm to others sooner than I did.
Jesus: And it’s particularly the regret of harm to others, there’s plenty of times when we complain about harm to oneself.
Mary (Gregor): Yes. (Both Jesus and Gregor chuckle)
Jesus: This is a pattern I think for our group here to bear in mind. Most of the complaints they have, are about how others have harmed them rather than their harm of others. I think that’s very good.
Mary (Gregor): I can honestly say that I didn’t love others until I felt that regret of how I had … the harm I had done. That feels like the opening of my heart to love. Probably for the first time in my existence.
Jesus: Perhaps you can comment a little about the contrast between where you are now, in terms of where you live and where you first arrived.
Mary (Gregor): Well, it’s so remarkable. Where I reside now is so far beyond any earthly conception of peace or beauty; it’s really, really quite wonderful.
Where I entered the spirit life was really beyond the conception of what on Earth you could think of as the worst place you could be really.
There are very terrible places on Earth that people are and have been put in terms their physical restriction and their physical discomfort, and so it’s possibly akin to something like that. But because there was the spiritual coldness, if I could call it that, the environment was also emotionally cold and hard, because it was reflecting me.
So, it wasn’t just physically cold but emotionally cold as well. I am not sure how to explain that well, because it’s a different quality to what is experienced on Earth, isn’t it?
Jesus: Yes, on Earth here you can sort of avoid the spiritual experience of it, can’t you, to a degree.
Mary (Gregor): And I know many people suffer physically on Earth but …
Jesus: … not often the ones that are in poorer condition.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, that’s right. There’s no escaping the mind. On Earth there are …
Jesus: … escapes everywhere.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, what you would call an escape of the mind.
Jesus: Which is probably what we have been referring to with our group here as denial.
Mary (Gregor): There’s no sleep state to go to, there’s no other state to enter.
Jesus: No rest
Mary (Gregor): There’s no splitting from self, or many of the things that people do on Earth.
Jesus: There’s no let up from the situation you’re in. It’s not like you can be uncomfortable today, so you decide to go on a holiday tomorrow.
Mary (Gregor): No
Jesus: Oh, I’m feeling a bit lonely I’ll go across to the coast, or I feel a bit like I need a bit of night life, so I’ll go dancing or whatever – nothing like that.
Mary (Gregor): No, it’s beyond that.
Female Participant3: And the only movie on Netflix is your record.
Jesus: Is your own movie, that’s the only thing and nothing else; once you’re open to it, it’s impossible to get away from.
Mary (Gregor): And there’s no warmth that I could get from …
Jesus: It’s as rigid as you have been.
Mary (Gregor): Yes. There was no warmth that I could get from others, I couldn’t take from others, and I had done that a lot on Earth.
Jesus: Couldn’t get approval from others
Mary (Gregor): Power
Jesus: Get nice feelings from others, power over others – nothing.
Male Particpant 1: When you first see the record … your condition is … you’re still in harmony with it in some way, aren’t you? Does it feel bad when you think back?
Jesus: No, most people when they first see the record are like Gregor, where he started to see the record, but didn’t really know why it was happening, why it was there; couldn’t agree that that was even what he did. It’s like being presented with a record of your life and you go, ‘Ah, no that’s not really me’. You know what I mean? Maybe a bit of me, but …
Mary (Gregor): Or even then, once I did see it as me, I was so cold in my heart towards those things that …
Jesus: So, what! So, I did that, so what?
Mary (Gregor): Yes, I didn’t have an emotional response initially.
Female Participant 3: To see the record, did you have to desire it strongly or was it just because of some circumstances. What were the circumstances?
Jesus: No, remember he described the breakthrough was when he got the chair and the record at the same time, what was the breakthrough? Can you remember it?
Female Participant3: When he first had some feelings of hurting others.
Jesus: No, that’s the second one, what was the first one.
Female Participant3: I can’t remember.
Jesus: Want him to say it again?
Female Participant3: Yes please
Mary (Gregor): No, I wasn’t angry, and I was still disconnected. I just thought that there must be a way to get out of where I was.
Jesus: So, his heart was saying, ‘There must be a way to get out of here, what is it?’ And he is given a chair and a record; there’s the way out. Do you understand? That’s God’s answer; there’s the way out. Do you follow that?
This is God’s answer to his question, is there a way out? Here’s the way out; a chair and a record.
Female Participant 4: So, it took you all those years to ask that question?
Jesus: Yes, for lots of reasons.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, like I described I was always very logical, and so I did always think when I entered the spirit world, there must be a way beyond this, but it wasn’t until I thought there was more responsibility that perhaps there was something I could do.
Jesus: Something I need do.
Mary (Gregor): It still wasn’t a feeling, a softness that I had done anything wrong, but perhaps something I actually had to do, because no one was coming that I could negotiate with, if you like. So, that’s when the chair and the record appeared.
Female Participant3: So, that’s like self-responsibility. A feeling, I’ve got to be responsible for this.
Jesus: Exactly, it’s the beginning of it, isn’t it? Beginning of a … I have control over this situation somehow, I don’t know yet how, but I need to know what that is.
Female Participant3: Because I created this obviously
Jesus: No, no there’s not even that. Not even that.
Mary (Gregor): I wasn’t self-responsible at that point, but I was at the inception point.
Jesus: Exactly. Exactly. There must be something I can do to get out of this.
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Female Participant 4: So, before that period, where no one was coming, and it was going on for years and years and years, was there despair inside of you? Hopelessness?
Jesus: Too hard to feel despair.
Mary (Gregor): I wasn’t very connected … well, I wasn’t connected with my emotions. So, when I began to feel despair and hopelessness was probably after I got angry. The hopelessness and the anger came together, after I had been experiencing a lot of physical pain for a long time.
Before then there was sort of a feeling of numb, it is kind of an indignation, but that feels too strong a word, because I really wasn’t connected emotionally.
Jesus: Possibly what I can feel from you is that feeling of restriction.
Mary (Gregor): Very restricted
Jesus: Just feeling restricted
Mary (Gregor): Yes
Jesus: Why can’t I do more than this, type of feeling. Does that make sense to you? Imagine you’re in a room, you can’t get out of the room; it’s all very cold, all cold emotionally; no one else is there, what’s going to be your thought.
Male Participant 2: I’d be angry within five minutes I reckon.
(Jesus laughs)
Jesus: But isn’t one of your thoughts going to be, how can I get out of here?
Audience: Yes
Jesus: Or why can’t I get out of here? After a while that’s the thought that it engages, isn’t it?
Then once he realised, there must be something I can do to get out of here, that’s more of a request, isn’t it? More of a request: please tell me if there is something I can do to get out of here, basically is the theory. Like he wants to know, is there some way to get out of here? There must be.
Female Participant 4: Christians that are taught, or some sects anyway, are taught that hell is eternal. In the Catholic Church hell is eternal. So, would they need to get more stuck looking at the records?
Jesus: Sometimes, usually if they’re taught that and they believe it, but Gregor didn’t believe it.
Female Participant 4: So, that was an advantage.
Jesus: Yes, that’s right it’s an advantage, if he was taught it and believed it, and he had done all the things he had already done, all of those things together, then he might have decided that this is where he is going to be the rest of his existence and not even bother to ask the question, can I get out of here? That is true.
There are many popes of old who have done that, who have gotten to the spirit world in a really dark place and haven’t even bothered asking the question – if they believe it.
Female Participant 4: That’s what the teaching is.
Jesus: Yes, but it’s whether you believe the teaching or not. It’s not about the teaching; many popes don’t believe their own teachings. Many religious people don’t believe the teaching. It’s whether you actually believe it or not.
Mary (Gregor): Also, belief is so emotional, and the evolution of my belief has happened through my emotional changes, and on Earth that is very poorly understood.
Jesus: It’s completely misunderstood really.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, belief is understood as something intellectual. If there is an intellectual belief, people believe that not only do they believe that it’s an emotional belief for them, which is often not the case, but they also think that their intellect will govern in this location, in this world, and it doesn’t.
So, I’ve spoken to you really about my emotional conditions, not about my thought processes and I notice that a lot of you are asking about my thought processes, and so I’ve spoken really from the emotional. I could talk about my thought processes a little more if you like …
Jesus: Possibly not
Mary (Gregor): … but I think that is more confusing.
Jesus: Yes, and also, I think what’s important for the audience here to understand, is that they get so involved in the thought processes, but they don’t understand yet that none of their thought processes really matter in a lot of ways.
Mary (Gregor): It’s one thing to even think there were periods, when I was in physical pain; time, when I thought perhaps … even thought I was sorry for the people that I had harmed, but that wasn’t real until I reached an emotional point of sorrow. Where I actually felt deep regret and sorrow and wished that I did not harm those people, but that was emotional.
Jesus: It’s like asking a child here on Earth to ‘say you’re sorry’ when he’s not sorry, and then to actually have the child feel he’s sorry and then want to do something about it. Does that make sense, there’s a big difference between those two places?
Mary (Gregor): And because I had such a logical brain, I reached the recognition, not initially, not for over one hundred years, but I did reach the recognition when I was in the physical pain place that this is because I’ve hurt other people. I realised that at some point intellectually, and even I wished that I hadn’t harmed them, because I didn’t want to be going through the pain, but that wasn’t a true …
Jesus: Still all selfish right?
Mary (Gregor): That was selfish and it was thoughts, and it wasn’t until I felt real compassion for those people that my situation could change then – quickly. I know you say it’s sort of slowly, but the change from where I was to the top of the first sphere and into the second sphere was really quite rapid after that.
Jesus: Particularly compared with many who have experienced the same history as yourself, which have been thousands of years in the same places.
Mary (Gregor): Yes, and if I hadn’t had that change, I might still be there.
Jesus: Yes, and it’s very important for the audience here I feel, to see that the difference between emotional feelings and the thought processes are so far apart from each other that it’s like – for most people here, when they hear God’s Truth, they think they get it, but they’ve got nowhere near it yet in their heart, and it’s very important to grasp that.
If you don’t grasp that, you basically presume then a lot of things that you think you understand and think you get, and you don’t. If you think about it though, your life is a reflection of the fact that you don’t. Does that make sense?
Female Participant 3: It’s so easy to fool yourself with thoughts when we are so intellectual and the world is so set up for intellect, we kind of think, well, I get it, I get it because I understand it …
Jesus: Not only that, its purposeful inside of yourself. How many of you want to grieve how you have treated others, compared to just thinking about it and hope it never happened?
If you think about it, if you grieve about it, there is going to be a lot of heart in it, isn’t there? There’s going to be a lot of crying and heartfelt sorrow. For many of us we don’t want go there, and so we would rather just have a thought and say, ‘Oh, I’m sorry now’.
Also, we have a thought, we say, ‘I’m sorry’, and we go, ‘Now I should get a better result, because I’ve said I’m sorry’; similar to how a child has been taught, if you say you’re sorry you’ll get the ice cream or whatever. We often have imbibed these kinds of belief systems, thinking this is how it’s all going to work with God, and it doesn’t.
Unless it’s sincere emotion that you’re feeling about something, it’s not going to work with God – ever!
Female Participant 3: Which is good because it shows us whether we’re sincere or not.
Jesus: Exactly, it’s really good, but for the majority of us we think, ‘No, I should be able to just think it all it through and I should be able to get through it then’, because we want to avoid the pain of it. We’re trying to avoid the pain of it, and this is the thing, the spirit world doesn’t let you avoid the pain of it.
For the majority of us we think it’s going to, we think it’s going to, and it’s not. That’s why I’m saying, it’s far better to start the process here of self-analysis, because it’s very hard to start there.
Also, on top of that, if you are convinced that you can think things and you can get through things by thinking things, you’re going to be absolutely shocked, because it’s not like that at all.
Male Participant 2: If we passed at this point, how much would we retain of what we may have learnt in the last ten years?
Jesus: Not a lot because you haven’t learnt a lot. You think you’ve heard it, but you haven’t yet applied it in your heart – haven’t emotionally applied it. It’s only stuff that you emotionally apply that you remember.
Male Participant 2: What about prayer?
Jesus: Well, you think you are praying but you’re not. Most of the time you’re praying to avoid pain, which is a very selfish thing, and that’s not a prayer, and that doesn’t reach God. So, for the majority of us that’s what we’re praying.
Basically, what we do is, before we learn about God, we want to avoid our life; we want to avoid any pain we’ve caused to others in our life. Then when we hear about God, we go, oh, I can’t avoid it, so I’ll pray to God for forgiveness but it’s not heart, your heart is not in it yet.
You don’t even know what you’ve done wrong, let alone know what you’re being forgiven for. So, your heart is not in it, and so there’s no prayer and there’s no forgiveness there either.
Then when you arrive, you’re going to think, I did all that, how are you going to feel then? Pretty pee’d off probably. The fact you thought you did it all when you haven’t done any of it. Mind you the teacher who is teaching you has told you, you haven’t done much of it, and you don’t believe him, right. Because you want to believe that you have.
Male Participant 2: No, I know I haven’t.
Jesus: No, no, I’m saying generally, we want to believe generally that we have, and it’s like when we raise issues about women for example, you generally want to believe that it’s not as bad as what I’m saying really.
Male Participant 2: Yeah, I’m not that bad of a bloke.
Jesus: Yeah, I’m not that bad of a bloke, what are you talking about? That kind of thing, but see, this is God’s standard we’re talking about, and God’s standards are pretty refined when it comes to love.
A lot of times when we think, ‘Oh, it’s not too bad’; from God’s perspective it’s like, ‘Yeah, it’s not too bad in that you’re not at the bottom of the hells, but you’re a few rungs up the ladder in the hells, from not too bad’. From God’s perspective anything below the seventh is bad in a lot of ways, isn’t it? Not as good as it could be, let’s say that.
(Laughs)
A lot of times from the fourth to the seventh it’s all about how you feel about you, but a lot of times in the earlier spheres, it’s how you’ve done others wrong; you understand?
For the majority of us, we ignore how we feel about ourselves, and we do others badly, we treat others badly. So, for the first half of our progress you could say up until the, third, fourth, fifth sphere even, we’re dealing with how we’ve treated others.
By the fifth, we’re now starting to recognise, who am I? What am I going to do? Do I love myself yet? Do I care about myself yet? What about the other half of myself? And you’re starting to recognise all those things from an emotional perspective. Before then it’s all about how you’ve done others bad, and that’s where it’s really tough because for most of us, we want to focus on how others have done us wrong.
Male Participant 2: What is it that prevents you from really feeling about what you have done to others?
Jesus: Well, there’s a number of things: firstly, you don’t think the things you did were wrong. That’s a big issue, isn’t it?
An example of that might be, let’s say I’m a man and I’ve expected women to cook my dinner for me. That’s pretty innocent, you know, I was brought up that way, what’s wrong with that? It’s pretty normal and most women like cooking for you really, that’s how they feel good about themselves, is the way you explain it away to yourself.
But from God’s perspective, how does God feel about it? When you really feel what God feels about it, it’s pretty bad. Then just that one little thing that I think, ‘Oh, that’s alright, there’s nothing much wrong with that’, God’s already thinking that little thing is bad, what about the big things that are bad? (Laughs)
How tough are they going to be, when even just this little thing was bad and I can’t accept that, I think it’s just normal, do you know what I mean? So, you can see that the awakening process is pretty tricky to come to see it God’s Way.
And this is something when we speak with our spirit friends about these matters, it’s hard for them to convey to you how it feels being in the position. In a lot of ways unless you’ve seen it for yourself, or gone through it yourself, you don’t really know how bad it can be, sinning against God’s Laws and how refined it all is.
I’m not saying this to frighten the living daylights out of all of you, I’m just saying it’s the reality of how unloving things are here, and most of us don’t realise how unloving things are, because we’re living in that band of what’s acceptable.
You know how we’ve drawn that band on the whiteboard? I can’t go below this, I’m a bad person; I can’t go above this, I’m a bad person if I do that too. That band is set very low, it’s a very low bar from God’s perspective.
It’s interesting I find when we set a higher bar – and by the way here we’re not even setting a bar, a Celestial bar – we’re setting what, maybe a sphere two bar.
So, we’re setting maybe a sphere two bar and most of you feel it’s too extreme, and that’s how much of a contrast it is.
That’s why when someone like Gregor comes along to explain the situation, sometimes some of you feel some judgement or whatever, but you’ve really not yet got any personal idea of the bars, of where things are in love and where you are in that scheme of things.
Male Participant 3: We’re very invested in thinking, I’m okay.
Jesus: Thinking good about ourselves.
Male Participant 3: Thinking good about ourselves.
Jesus: Self-absorbed in our thoughts about ourselves
Male Participant 2:I feel like I know I’ve done some pretty bad shit.
Jesus: Yes. Well, it’s often the things you don’t know that are the worst things. Often the things that we’ve done that we know are bad, are pretty extreme bad. But it’s all the ones that we don’t know are bad, that are bad, that we have the most difficulty with.
The ones that are extreme bad that we know of, most of us are already in a state where we’re at least recognising it. You can at least look at the wall and go, ‘Yes, I did that’. Mind you a lot of our grief about it is not about how we’ve hurt others, it’s all about ‘I wish I never did that bad thing’, or even worse, ‘I wish I never got caught for doing that bad thing’.
But when it comes to the refinement from God’s perspective it’s like, well, all those things you see are bad; well yes, that’s true, you see them as bad, from God’s perspective they’re really bad.
But all the things you think you are normal, most of them are bad too, and you don’t yet know how bad they are, and this is why it’s hard. Unless you’re very self-reflective, and you can get away from being self-absorbed in your own emotional state and actually feel the impact you’re having on others, you won’t actually see any of that.
Male Participant 3: We don’t want to know.
Jesus: We don’t want to know, and it’s like Gregor was saying, until he wanted to know, everything before then was hard.
Male Participant 3: Not for a selfish reason.
Jesus: Not for a selfish reason, yes, most of us even now, we only want to know for a selfish reason, we go, ‘Oh, I want to be free of this for myself’. So, that’s pretty selfish really, isn’t it? When you think about it, it’s not: ‘I’m not doing it for the sake of harming others’; I’m doing it for the sake of myself, and so that’s not yet at that state is it, that he’s describing.
And he’s saying, it wasn’t until he got into that state that he started to have a relationship with God either. So, that’s also a key thing to remember in the discussion. Because he had to get to that state where he wanted to be and felt to be sorry for what he had done, before he could even enter a relationship with God, because he didn’t even feel at that stage that he could have one.
So, that’s going to be the same for most of us too – same thing. This is why we bring these examples here, is to help you see that we’re not talking about someone else, we’re talking about you here.
We’re not talking about Hitlers and Stalins, we’re talking about normal people who thought their life was normal on Earth, just like you do, and thought they fitted into society, just like you do, and yet they’ve had some really harsh times coming to terms with God’s Laws, you follow?
Male Participant 3: What would it take for us to want to see ourselves as God sees us?
Jesus: Just a sincere heart, that’s really all it takes, but the hard part is getting the sincere heart. You can see for Gregor, it took him quite some time to get the sincere heart, and a whole heap of circumstantial things had to happen.
Male Participant 3: A lot of pain
Jesus: And some pain and suffering had to happen before the sincere heart began to develop, and it’s going to be the same for all of us. That’s usually the case.
Male Participant 1: The judgement thing that you mentioned, he needs to stop judging himself?
Jesus: Yes, well all I could feel there, was that Gregor was limiting his own progression, because he felt he needed to do more to undo the pain and suffering he had caused others, before he could allow more of God’s Love to enter him. And all I was saying there was that he didn’t need to wait for that, he didn’t need to wait for that.
But you imagine you’ve done all these things and then you realise what you’ve done, you can see why you would do that right? Because you would be pretty gutted about all the things you’ve done, and you’d also be realising that there’s a lot of things you can do to fix these things.
The disadvantage of the space of slowing yourself down though, is you have less power to do the things to fix it as well. So, that’s one of the disadvantages of slowing yourself down.
But it is a hard hoop to get over because the hoop is: I feel bad about what I have done, which is what you need to do, feel bad about what you have done, but that doesn’t need to stop you from asking for God’s Love, because of what you’ve done.
Female Participant 3: But you know when you feel like – especially with the religious thing – that’s why I was under the impression he might have been raised religiously, because he felt like I don’t deserve God’s Love because of the things that I have done.
Jesus: No, no, if I could best say his feelings about his upbringing; he’s got almost the same emotions as a middle to upper class person on Earth would have today.
Female Participant 5: He did have.
Mary: He did have, yes. I don’t even know if he was as dark as …
Jesus: Not as dark as your grandad (in reference to an audience participant), I’d say not as dark … but there were women issues – probably made him as dark.
Female Participant 6: The things he was able to do to help the people that he had harmed, was that that he already had a relationship with God? and he realised that he could pray?
Jesus: Not only that, he understands the whole process of compensation, that he wants to help the people he has hurt; he wants to go to them and see what he can do to help them. He wants to do what he can do, and he wants to do it right as well, he wants to do the right thing.
Also, because he’s in the spirit world and they’re now in the spirit world he has the power to actually go and visit them and talk to them and help them wherever he can – if they let him.
Female Participant 7: You said, ‘the legacy of injuries’ and how that has slowed him down due to that, I was wondering if you could explain that in detail?
Jesus: Well, when we engage sin and then we come to a recognition that we’ve engaged a lot of sin, we then start developing emotions about feeling bad about the fact that we’ve done that. Emotions that we didn’t have before.
Female Participant 7: They’re new ones.
Jesus: They’re new ones. They’re new emotions that we never had before and then those new emotions if we’re not careful, can have the effect of slowing us down in terms of asking for God’s Love, and in terms of still wanting to receive Love from God.
Then on top of that, another feeling he was having was, I’ve got to do more to help the people I’ve harmed, if I progress then I won’t do that. But that actually isn’t true, he’ll be able to help them more.
But there is this other feeling you start having, that I need to stay here in this sphere because there are people I have harmed here that I can help, and I can go back to the other spheres and help the people that I have harmed there.
Mary: And there was a bit of a feeling of I’m not deserving yet of greater joy, because my joy is already so big and these people are not in joy yet, and I want them to get there.
Jesus: Yes, and that’s a very common feeling for people who start to engage things God’s Way, they often have the feeling of, ‘Wow, I can’t be truly happy yet, because there are all these other people I have harmed that are not happy’. They don’t even know God’s Way yet, and I need to help them first to know God’s Way. Not realising that if you were in a better condition yourself you can help better.
Cornelius: You sort of use guilt on yourself as self-punishment
Jesus: It’s sort of a self-restriction, rather than a self-punishment, I suppose. It’s a restrictive thing you’re placing on yourself, not realising that you don’t have to.
Mary: You’re not punishing, you’re restricting – there’s a difference.
Jesus: Yes, and the person who feels these things has a tendency to do that, because you realise you’ve done all these things wrong, and then you realise, ‘Oh, I want to fix them all’, and then you start getting into the idea that I have to fix them all before I’m happy. Does that make sense?
Mary: He’s so funny, he’s saying, “I am really happy.” Like you know, what are you doing? (Laughs)
Jesus: Yes, but before I’m a person with God, is what I’m talking about.
Mary: He said bye, bye.
(Comments and thanks from an appreciative audience)
Special hey. Special that he took the time to share his life.
Female Participant 5: It’s such an example, particularly of what we have to do here.
Jesus: Yes, pretty close.
Female Participant 5: So many parallels.
Jesus: Yes, there are so many parallels, and like I said, if you met Gregor today on the street, you would probably view him as a pretty normal middle to upper class guy.
Female Participant 1: Like he was when he was on Earth.
Jesus: When he was on Earth, yes. If you had met him.
Female Participant 3: It’s funny because, that asking for help, I suppose or asking for what do I do about this situation? It’s the same as Marie*.
You know when Marie started, when she was in the cold ice block and hot boiling and all this stuff happening to her, she’s like, ‘How do I end this hell?’ She asked once, again for the doors of hell to open to even help her.
Jesus: That’s right
Female Participant 3: Because she was like there needs to be a way out; that recognition that there has to be a way to change this situation.
Jesus: That’s right, and a personal sense that it is something you need to do. Not something somebody else will do for you, that’s right.
Female Participant 5: So, when you say, if we met him on the street now, we would think he was an average Aussie guy.
Jesus: Yes, average sort of guy.
Female Participant 5:What you mean by that is …?
Jesus: Well, not an average guy, you would think of him as a sort of normal middle to upper class guy.
Jesus: Yes, successful, you would probably look up to him initially.
Mary: He’s not verbally abusing people or slapping them around; he’s abiding by all society’s rules. That’s what you mean, isn’t it?
Jesus:Yes, he was at times violent, but the average guy on Earth today …
Mary: And you wouldn’t know
Jesus: You wouldn’t know. He had a terrible attitude towards women, but you look at the average middle to upper class guy. The average middle to upper class guy would visit a prostitute if he had the opportunity, go and watch a strip show if some friends invited him.
Mary: Not consider how his business dealings might create pain and suffering …
Jesus: … for others.
Female Participant 5:What age did he pass? Do you know?
Jesus: Old age he said.
Mary: Somewhere like seventy
Jesus: Yes, close to seventy
Mary: Yes, between sixty and seventy
Female Participant 2:I’ve been having this thing lately where I’m trying to pray more and establish a relationship maybe with God, and I’m finding random memories are coming to me and feelings about them from my life. At the time it feels like, well that’s random, that’s not what I thought I needed to feel about. Is this the record starting to pop up?
Jesus: Yes, God tries to help you by saying, this is blocking you, this is blocking you, this is blocking you, this is blocking you, does that make sense?
Female Participant 2:Since you said it, I’ve been praying probably every day, help me see what I am blind to, and these things are coming …
Jesus: Yes, so let yourself feel about them and think about them. Don’t sort of go, oh, that’s left field I need to ignore that. Trust that God is sharing with you the best way forward.
Anyway guys, it’s been lovely having a chat today.
The discussion for the afternoon concludes.
With thanks to the volunteers who took photos for this post and transcribed the discussion with Gregor
(*Marie: reference to a person described in the book ‘Through the Mists’ channelled by Robert James Lees)
There are four individuals who currently work (most of them full time) for the God’s Way Ltd not for profit organisation. They are Eloisa Lytton-Hitchins, Catherine Spence, Cornelius (David Walsh) and Kate Eckersall.
Eloisa, Cornelius & Kate provide essential services to both God’s Way Ltd and Divine Truth Pty Ltd. Without them, Jesus and I would not be able to achieve the day to day requirements of managing God’s Way Ltd, or be able to provide as many Divine Truth Pty Ltd services free of charge as we do.
Catherine provides finances for all of God’s Way Ltd operations. All current God’s Way Ltd operations would be impossible without her constant help.
Eloisa
Eloisa is the Managing Director and Company Secretary of God’s Way Ltd. She is also the Administration Branch Manager, and the Environment Branch Manager (she manages the day to day operations of all administration and environment projects) for God’s Way Ltd.
She currently does not receive any payment for these services from either Divine Truth Pty Ltd or God’s Way Ltd.
Eloisa’s current roles include:
Full Time Unpaid Volunteer, God’s Way Ltd & Divine Truth Pty Ltd, Australia
Member, Managing Director & Company Secretary, God’s Way Ltd, Australia
Branch Manager, Administration, God’s Way Ltd, Australia
Branch Manager, Environment, God’s Way Ltd, Australia
Eloisa’s contributions include:
Gifted 1/4 finances to purchase 600 acres of land (Environment Centre) for God’s Way Ltd
Gifted 1/2 finances to purchase God’s Way Ltd servers
Operations Manager of God’s Way Ltd Accounts & Legal
Operations Manager of all God’s Way Ltd Environmental Projects
Management of volunteer activities for God’s Way Ltd
Manages, co-ordinates and performs manual labour for environmental projects
Mentors and trains new God’s Way Ltd managers
Manages and co-ordinates meetings and recording sessions
Manages and provides day to day accounting and legal requirements of God’s Way Ltd
Handles research, accounts orders and payments, and volunteer training for God’s Way Ltd
Jesus is able to delegate many of these tasks to Eloisa because she sincerely practices and implements Divine Truth teachings in her personal life, and remains a very humble person. Jesus has mentored Eloisa in each role she has in the God’s Way Ltd organisation since 2016. He is very confident in Eloisa’s abilities, and enjoys the process of mentoring her because of her humility and passion for God’s Truth, her strong desire to have a relationship with God and to be a loving person in every aspect of her life.
Eloisa’s dedication to living God’s Way and managing God’s Way Ltd organisation greatly reduces the amount of time Jesus and I would otherwise have to spend completing these tasks in order for to the company to remain solvent and operational.
At the moment Eloisa uses her personal funds to pay all of her living expenses. She recieves a very small sum each month via donations. This is not a sustainable situation for her and unless she begins to receive more substantial and regular donations she may need to return to regular work as a teacher. Eloisa has a Masters Degree in Education.
Eloisa has enough personal funds to support her and her three children for about another year before she will need to seek employment elsewhere. If that happens, her return to work would severely affect everything Jesus and I are attempting to achieve. Most God’s Way Ltd operations would need to close down.
At the moment, Eloisa is the person that we would most like to receive donated funds. If she could receive enough donated funds, or Divine Truth Pty Ltd could receive more funds to cover her employment, then we have an excellent manager to sustain the development of the God’s Way organisation in Australia.
Catherine is a Director of, and a part time unpaid volunteer for, God’s Way Ltd. She currently does not receive any payment from either Divine Truth Pty Ltd or God’s Way Ltd.
Catherine’s current roles include:
Part Time Unpaid Volunteer, God’s Way Ltd, Australia
Member & Director of God’s Way Ltd
Catherine’s contributions include:
Gifted all finances to purchase 400 acres of land (Function Centre) for God’s Way Ltd
Gifted 1/2 finances to purchase 600 acres of land (Environment Centre) for God’s Way Ltd
Gifted 1/2 finances to purchase God’s Way Ltd servers
Gifted all finances to build Divine Truth Pty Ltd recording studio
Gifted Bulldozer, Excavator and Tractor for God’s Way Ltd Environment Projects
Continues gifting backup financial funding for all God’s Way projects
Continues gifting operational expenses for God’s Way Ltd Environment Projects
Continues gifting operational expenses for God’s Way Ltd Building Projects
Due to her passion for Divine Truth and for the goals of the God’s Way Ltd organisation, Catherine donates a substantial amount of funds every year to God’s Way operations (over $150,000 per annum). This is not a sustainable situation for her or the organisation. If she continues to contribute similar amounts, she will run out of funds within four to five years.
If others could contribute to God’s Way Ltd projects directly, then her funds can be used either for building the Function Centre, as backup funds to sustain the company in case of sudden unexpected costs or in times when other donations reduce.
Of course, Catherine no longer providing these funds would severely affect everything Jesus and I are attempting to achieve with God’s Way Ltd. Without Catherine’s contributions most areas of God’s Way Ltd operations would cease.
Catherine doesn’t feel that she needs any donations from others at this time, but the more that others donate to the God’s Way projects she supports, the more funds she can provide to God’s Way Ltd to help build our Function Centre Stage 1 Power, Auditorium, Kitchen and Visitor facilities.
Cornelius (David Walsh) is a Member of, and a full time, partially paid, worker/volunteer for God’s Way Ltd. He currently does receive some payments from Divine Truth Pty Ltd and God’s Way Ltd.
Cornelius works very closely with Jesus on building plans and building materials research required for both the new construction and renovation of God’s Way Ltd infrastructure and building projects here on our personal property. These projects include, a large scale shed extension, new shed buildings, the caretakers’ home renovation, new cabins to replace our eco tents, and the Function Centre building development.
He is the only carpenter/builder currently working for God’s Way Ltd and Divine Truth Pty Ltd which means that he also physically implements (builds) the projects. He supervises and liases with external contractors, God’s Way Ltd volunteers, and private individuals employed by Jesus and I to assist with building on our property, and for the God’s Way Ltd organisation.
Jesus and Cornelius are often looking for alternate means and innovation when approaching building and spend many hours brainstorming and logically analysing possible solutions.
Cornelius’ current roles include:
Full Time (Partially Paid) Volunteer, God’s Way Ltd & Divine Truth Pty Ltd, Australia
Member & Branch Manager, Building & Construction, God’s Way Ltd, Australia
Builder & Camera Operator, Divine Truth Pty Ltd, Australia
Cornelius’ contributions include:
Building services for Divine Truth Pty Ltd & God’s Way Ltd
Building design for Divine Truth Pty Ltd & God’s Way Ltd
Building material research for Divine Truth Pty Ltd & God’s Way Ltd
Management of volunteer activities for God’s Way Ltd
Primary camera operator at Divine Truth events
Backup video switcher at Divine Truth events
Cornelius is a builder with over 35 years experience working in domestic, industrial, commercial and civil construction.
Cornelius currently receives small payments from God’s Way Ltd and Divine Truth Pty Ltd of $1000 per month from each organisation, or $2000 per month total. This is the same amount Jesus and I pay ourselves from the Divine Truth Pty Ltd organisation.
If others could contribute to Cornelius directly, then God’s Way Ltd or Divine Truth Pty Ltd would not need to pay him directly, which would make more of the funds we receive available for projects and teaching.
Kate is also a keen musician, she is in the centre singing with Jesus & Tristan
Kate is a full time paid worker for God’s Way Ltd. She currently does receive payments from Divine Truth Pty Ltd and God’s Way Ltd.
Under Jesus’ direction she is helping to redesign our website and writing important programming code which will simplify our day to day running requirements. She manages the Divine Truth transcription and translation teams.
She is also involved in the redesign of the God’s Way Ltd website (which will closely resemble the Divine Truth website). This includes providing programming assistance to design new Project Pages which summarise projects and their progress on the new God’s Way website.
Kate assists managers with various technical shortcuts and strategies to streamline information sharing. Along with Jesus, she provides input on database compilation and creation now underway within the Environment Branch (database creation will also expand into other branches over time).
Kate’s current roles include:
Full Time Paid Volunteer, Divine Truth Pty Ltd & God’s Way Ltd, Australia
Programmer, Divine Truth Pty Ltd & God’s Way Ltd, Australia
Manager Transcription & Translation Teams, Divine Truth Pty Ltd, Australia
Kate’s contributions include:
HTML, CSS, and Javascript Programming
Website & Web Applications Programming
Visual Basic & Visual Basic For Applications Programming
Programmer for the Transcription & Translation Team
Maintain Code for Transcription, Translations, Transliterations, Subtitling & Book Production
CAD Drawing for Machines, Tools, Function Centre & Housing
Computer training for all God’s Way members
Kate holds a Bachelor Degree of Information Technology.
Kate currently does receive payments from God’s Way Ltd of $1000 per month, and $2000 per month from Divine Truth Pty Ltd, or $3000 per month total. She is our highest paid volunteer, mostly because she pays rent for the house she lives in (while all the other volunteers mentioned above own their own home).
Without Kate helping him, it would be very difficult for Jesus, since he would have to do all of the programming that Kate does in order for us to share Divine Truth for free.
If others could contribute to Kate directly, then God’s Way Ltd or Divine Truth Pty Ltd would not need to pay her directly, which would make more funds we receive avialable for projects and teaching.
As mentioned above, Eloisa does not receive any funds at all from God’s Way Ltd, or from Divine Truth Pty Ltd. Eloisa, Kate and Cornelius are each fully qualified in their chosen fields and would receive quite a lot more money than they currently do if they were to work in those professions.
If you would like to see projects in both God’s Way Ltd and Divine Truth Pty Ltd continue, making a regular donation to Eloisa as a priority, and then to Kate and Cornelius, would greatly assist us. It would mean that Jesus and I, Divine Truth Pty Ltd, or God’s Way Ltd would not need to pay them directly.
Of course, one off donations are always welcomed and assist us greatly. But if each person currently listening to Divine Truth could afford to gift $10 per month, $100,000 per month would be available, which is well beyond what we would need to not only pay all those who are fulltime voluntary workers, but would also be enough for us to easily complete at least the first stage of our Function Centre Power, Auditorium, Kitchen and Visitors build. At the moment, less than 1 in 100, or 1% of people regularly donate to Divine Truth Pty Ltd, and far less regularly donate to God’s Way Ltd.
If Eloisa, Cornelius and Kate received enough donations directly, they could focus solely on their roles within Divine Truth Pty Ltd and God’s Way Ltd, removing concerns about the potential need to seek paid employment elsewhere. This would also enable God’s Way Ltd and Divine Truth Pty Ltd to use the funds currently paid to Kate and Cornelius towards other projects.
Thanks for the wonderful truths you have shared with the world. I have loved them. I have heard that you are supporting the recent vaccines from several sources including Alex. It makes me wonder if you are fully informed about what you are supporting.
Do you know
1. The ingredients and contents of the vax 2. The intentions of the creators of the vax 3. The efficacy or effectiveness of the vax
It seems to me that it would not be ethical to support the vax without being fully informed about these issues.
So, I wonder, have you researched these issues, or do you disagree with my analysis of what is ethical?
Hope you are well, Kris
Wattle in bloom – God’s Way Ltd Function Centre
Hi Kris
I find it very revealing that your email to me (is it your first communication with me?) contains no desire to discuss issues regarding a relationship with God, loving principles affecting yourself and your behaviour, or anything about your own soul condition. These are areas that I personally wish to discuss and I have virtually no interest at all in discussing vaccines.
I must say though that, like you, many others have sent emails with a similar theme, usually criticizing what they believe I have said or done without personally having had any interaction with me, and without bearing in mind that all third party musings are subject to being modified by the condition of love existing in the people sharing them. I also must say that these kinds of questions demonstrate many unloving motives, including a large amount of fear, presumption and arrogance in the person sending them to me.
That being said, I will provide a short (and certainly not complete) answer to your questions, as I currently have a little time to do so. So here goes.
In regards to disease, what happens to a person’s physical body is directly under the control of the soul and its condition of love, and limited by the physical design parameters of the body itself.
Voluntarily medical procedures (including taking a vaccine) are of no direct risk to the soul and its development, nor do they generally interfere with the soul’s relationship with God. Indirectly, engaging medical procedures frequently indicates a high degree of fear about death and pain, and if the soul is in any degree of fear, this is, of course, very damaging to a relationship with God and with others.
From the soul’s perspective, there are many loving reasons why a person with limited development in love may consider taking a vaccine, however, once a soul is completely in harmony with God’s Love, there is never any need for any vaccine.
However, even in a condition of at-onement with God, there may be reasons why a person chooses to use a vaccine even though they do not need one (such as conforming to Human made Laws in order to more easily share God’s Truth), but there would be no fear of any vaccine. The vaccine of choice would be one that mimics as closely as possible the normal process of being exposed to a virus. Fear of death is not a valid reason for taking a vaccine, just as fear of a vaccine is not a valid reason for refusing a vaccine. Fear is the primary cause of all human problems, and fear itself is in direct contradiction to love.
Taking a vaccine is potentially very risky for the physical body, unless the vaccine mimics as closely as possible the normal process of being exposed to a virus. God has made the human body with the ability to cope with many risks, and, as long as the soul is in harmony with love, the body will respond to any virus in a loving manner by creating its own resilience to the infection.
Medicines or drugs (including recreational drugs, alcohol, caffeinated coffee, etc) can interfere with the soul’s connection to the body by interfering with the communication of information between the spirit body and the physical body through the silver cord that connects the two bodies. They can also interfere with the correct operation of the body by interfering with the design parameters of the body such as the brain, hormones, the nervous system, the vascular system and so on. So under many circumstances medicines or drugs can be permanently dangerous to the body itself.
Medicines or drugs (including recreational drugs, alcohol, caffeinated coffee, etc) can also be dangerous to the soul if the person taking them feels or acts out of harmony with love towards oneself or others either in the motivation to take, or under the influence of, such compounds. Of course, a vaccine is often less dangerous to the soul than something like alcohol, drugs, or coffee is, since a person addicted to alcohol, drugs, or coffee often acts unlovingly to others, whereas it is highly unlikely a person will become addicted to a vaccine, and less likely they will act unlovingly due to taking a vaccine (although the current superior attitude that often develops from taking a vaccine of course does affect the development of the soul).
On the other hand, many people refusing a vaccine are very unloving and superior as well, and they often resort to very unloving behaviour towards others, which of course damages their own soul condition. It is ironic that they try to “protect” their body in a flawed manner, but further destroy their soul condition by their actions and attitudes. The best protection of the body comes from soul condition improvements.
A person can be in a loving state and take a vaccine, and they also can be in a loving state and not take a vaccine. It depends very much on the motivation of the individual and if fear is driving either decision.
I do not know what you have been told Kris, but I personally do not “support” (as you call it) any vaccine. You do not know me personally very well, and have not had any real personal discussions with me. Listening to or believing other persons interpretations of what I have said or believe, and then accusing me based upon your assumptions, is very unloving behaviour towards me, and illustrates my points above. Of course, the persons who have shared their erroneous interpretations of what I have said with you are also being unloving to me and to you.
If you must get a vaccine at all, I do personally believe that some vaccines are safer than others to use (due to the technology used within the vaccine). If you wish to get a vaccine, that is your personal decision, just as if you wish to not have a vaccine, that is also your personal decision. What you do with your body and its safety is your personal responsibility. I have no business interfering with your personal decision, and no doctor or government has any business interfering with your personal decision either, just as you have no business interfering with my personal decision (which is one of your bad motives I was talking about at the beginning of this email). Of course, any personal decision you make that is out of harmony with love towards your soul or the soul of others, will damage your soul.
The current fearful political, social and economic climate regarding vaccines, and the unloving intentions of governments and many of the earth’s industries (such as but not limited to the pharmaceutical, weapons manufacturing, media, and social media companies), is where much more damage is occurring to humanity at the soul level.
These matters certainly deserve exposure and discussion from God’s perspective. God expects humans to solve these severe problems but they can only be solved by changing our condition of love as individuals. Loving individuals create loving governments and industry.
The current COVID panic (read panic, not pandemic), being the result of greed and fear, indicates severe problems in the human condition which existed before the COVID panic. COVID has merely highlighted these issues to westerners in particular. Much of the world’s population was already living with the consequences of unloving and corrupt government and industry before the COVID panic, and western government and industry is often the cause of a huge amount of pain and injustice for all of humanity.
As I have said to everyone I have spoken to, I personally have no intention of getting a vaccine unless:
1. It can be proven to me that the vaccine mimics as closely as possible the normal process of being exposed to a virus, and;
2. I have a reason that is loving towards others to get the vaccine (such as improving my flexibility to travel in order to share Divine Truth personally with others).
I have no desire to dictate to others (as you obviously do) as to what they should do. I have taught for many years God’s principles of Love and Truth, along with God’s Laws, and many like yourself, through comments made in emails to me, demonstrate they do not understand the fundamentals God’s Laws, the Soul, and the Principles of Love and Truth. This indicates that either the listener is insincere, or/and that I have much more work to do sharing these truths.
If people emailing me about COVID and vaccines did understand God’s Laws, the Soul, and the Principles of Love and Truth, they would feel like I do, and have virtually no interest at all in discussing vaccines, but rather would be much more interested in discussing matters about their own personal soul development, and understanding better God’s principles of Love and Truth, and be even more strongly motivated to bring their own soul and its actions into harmony with God’s Loving Laws.
Instead, I see most people, including those who have been listening to God’s Truth, living in their addictions and fears, and COVID has become a trigger for their justification of even more unloving actions. This is very unfortunate, but it does expose the true soul condition of the individual.
Anyway Kris, that is all I have the time to share on the subject at the moment. Remember that I am interested in your soul’s welfare first. I encourage you to be more interested in developing the loving condition of your soul, rather than using unloving behaviour to attempt to control things that only love can solve.
Hello and thank you to all of you who have written to us over the past year to say hello, express your gratitude, or to ask how we are. We are both very well and I’ll share below the things that have our attention and focus at the moment.
We also express our gratitude to those of you who continue to donate to us. Even when we are not publishing new material, we are always recording material, and planning and experimenting with ways to share God’s Truth with the world.
Our desire is that any person can easily access and hear God’s Truth free of charge, in a way that they can understand and relate to. This creates the opportunity for people to experiment with their relationship with God. Once a person has that relationship their faith grows and they can continue to develop with God for the rest of their existence. So, as you will read below, even while we are not publishing new material on the internet, our focus and projects are all still working towards that aim.
Flowers in Wilkesdale
Current Projects & Activities
Personal Progression
Jesus and I continue to be focused on our personal progression towards God and our relationship with each other. Our personal happiness depends on our progression. Also, our ability to present God’s Truth to you depends on our ability to remember God’s Truth and live it ourselves.
We know that our example does a great deal to inspire others to engage their own experiments with God’s Way, and so we are very focused on continuing to develop a more complete connection to our own soul and to God. This is of primary importance to us, and takes precedence above everything else we do.
But let’s proceed discussing the less important areas now.
Website Upgrade
The Divine Truth website has been in need of an upgrade for some years. The website contains many thousands of links to videos, audio, and written material. There is so much material on our website that it is difficult to discover the full extent of what is available, and often much more difficult again to find specific material.
To remedy this, Jesus, along with our programmer, Kate Eckersall, has been working on changes to the website to include a number of new features that will improve any user’s ability to find and utilise the information on the site.
Features include:
the ability to search all material and find specific material matching key words, chapters, sessions, date, title, topic or type of material
the ability to save searches to your local computer, and recall previous searches from your computer
a navigation bar which includes a tool bar and a menu bar
allowing all pages and searches to scroll beneath the tool bar and menu bar, so that the tool and menu bars are always available
a menu structure that is representative of the site layout
the ability to easily track browsing history
a side bar allowing quick jumps to various predetermined locations on the site
quick links to external sites (such as YouTube, our Divine Truth server, event bookings, this blog, God’s Way website etc)
the ability to easily copy hyperlinks to share or save material
the ability to trigger the opening of data in new tabs
updated colours and photographs
new formats for embedded and external photo galleries
an autogenerated and up to date ‘What’s New’ feature
all Divine Truth and God’s Way websites will be static websites
every Divine Truth and God’s Way website will be able to be copied and used offline
all Divine Truth and God’s Way data will be able to be downloaded, as individual files, or as a complete package of files
Note: the new toolbar taking shape and slightly different colours
In addition, individual videos will be able to be downloaded or streamed via the website from a Divine Truth server, removing our dependency on YouTube, and removing your annoyance of having to watch videos that keep being interrupted by advertising and marketing.
The God’s Way Ltd website will use different colours but will have identical features, look and feel to the Divine Truth website. Any new website created by either organisation will also have a the same features, look and feel. This should help users to become familiar and comfortable navigating on sites relating to Divine Truth teachings.
New God’s Way Ltd website: under construction
When a person gains a copy of all Divine Truth material, or God’s Way material, either through the Hard Disc Drive copy service or the sync service via the Divine Truth server, the website is also copied. In this case, all of the website links and the new features, such as the search function, are functional offline and can be used to access any of the Divine Truth or God’s Way videos, audio recordings and written material contained on the local disc without needing a connection to the internet.
I’ll make a post on this blog when the new websites are live. We expect them to be completed in about 3 months time.
Internet Connection
As I mentioned in our previous update, Jesus continues to work on our technical set up to allow for livestream presentations.
The aim is not only to stream presentations but also to capture and keep high quality video of the presentation so that it may be edited and used in other material after the fact. The requirement to record high quality video of livestreams is more difficult to resolve, particularly if we wish to have interactions with people via the internet. It is taking some time to sort out these issues, and we may still need to purchase extra technical equipment to make streaming from our location possible. We hope to resolve these difficulties within the next 3 months, technical problems and financial issues permitting.
The limiting factor preventing us from holding livestreams up until now has been a reliable, high speed internet connection with low latency. Over the past couple of years, as in most parts of the world, travel in Queensland has been restricted. So our plans to start live streams from locations which have lower latency internet connections than those in our remote location were prevented.
As I have mentioned in prior updates, our internet connection here in rural Queensland currently relies on a satellite which introduces latency of up to 2 seconds during video calls or conferencing. These delays make livestreams involving interaction with anyone in the world impossible. To combat this problem Jesus initially set up a high gain radio antenna which accesses a mobile phone network around 5kms away from the studio. However various factors, including rapidly growing trees (thanks to our environmental projects) blocking the signal, have made that upgrade unreliable. We have attempted to remove some branches to improve the connection, but ultimately the connection is always going to have service difficulties since our studio is in a radio blackout area, and our installed high gain antennas are not above the tree heights. To get an antenna system installed that is above the tree height (above 50m) would be expensive, and at the moment that is cost prohibitive.
The high gain radio antenna is installed
Just yesterday we received a SpaceX satellite connection which will potentially provide coverage in our area. But there are a number of technical issues relating to the SpaceX equipment which must be resolved. These include; high power usage, tree obstruction and lack of ethernet cable connection (preventing connection to our network).
Once Jesus sorts out the technical and obstruction issues and establishes a connection to our network, we hope that having the SpaceX service will allow us to begin streaming. So I hope I am not being presumptuous when I say, “we look forward to seeing you ‘live’ sometime soon”.
God’s Way Organisation
Jesus and I have been spending a lot of our time working within the God’s Way Ltd organisation. This not for profit company was established by Jesus and I, and Eloisa Lytton-Hitchins and Catherine Spence, as a vehicle for the practical application and experimentation with Divine Truth principles in areas such as human relationships, environmental recovery, education and science.
Over the past year, Jesus has spent a great deal of time educating all God’s Way managers and probationary volunteers how to be humble, desire truth, and to love in real practical settings within the organisation.
Jesus speaks with volunteers
I have recently been taking opportunities to manage volunteer days as well as continuing in my role as editor and creator for information sharing.
Cornelius and Mary on a volunteer management dayEloisa, Mary & Elias on a volunteer day
There is a lot being accomplished by the God’s Way Ltd organisation at the moment, far too much to share with you in this blog post. Everything we do for God’s Way is exciting, and we hope to be able to share more with you in the future about this.
Lunch break for volunteers on a God’s Way Ltd Environment DayVolunteers take part in environmental work in Wilkesdale
Function Centre Build
I am however pleased to share with you that via the God’s Way Ltd organisation, we are moving towards our desire to build a God’s Way Function Centre on a local God’s Way Learning Centre property. The Function Centre will include an auditorium, office, visitors centre and various private accommodation for caretakers, managers and visitors.
The Function Centre will be owned and operated by God’s Way Ltd but would serve as a venue for both Divine Truth and God’s Way events. In addition, Jesus and I hope that eventually at least one God’s Way Function Centre would be constructed on each continent, and that Jesus and I would spend the majority of our time traveling between these centres to teach Divine Truth.
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These centres would also offer a place for guests external to those organisations to visit and share loving and beneficial information in harmony with God’s Truth, on subjects such as, environmental recovery, human relationships, teaching and parenting. Every event would be free to attend, open to everyone, and would be recorded and shared for free via the internet.
Having a purpose built venue would:
Allow Divine Truth and God’s Way presentations to become regular weekly events
Eliminate the recording problems experienced at third party venues. Currently, at every new venue we encounter serious recording problems affecting our production, including radio interference, acoustic problems, lighting difficulties, and more
Allow better time management and efficiency, since the venue could remain set up and ready to be used. This saves significant time currently spent to dismantle our studio, pack up the equipment in the studio for travel, travel to the venue, unpack equipment into the venue, set up recording. Then, when the event is finished the entire process must be reversed to get our studio operating again. Not having to do this would save large amounts of Jesus’ time in particular.
Create flexibility for scheduling events, and enable much more frequent seminars, groups and presentations. Currently we encounter many time and scheduling limitations involved in the delivery of events, besides the above studio dismantle and venue set up, such as, being at the mercy of venue booking scheduling, time lost moving to and from venues, venues not having the appropriate facilities for our participants or for recording and so forth.
Reduce overall costs once the facility is built. At the moment venue hire costs are increasing substantially, this money would be better spent on building and maintaining the God’s Way Ltd facility. In addition, at any current event we also must hire accommodation and allow for travel costs to venues. Since any venue owned by God’s Way will have a place for visiting speakers to stay, these costs all disappear.
Enable frequent God’s Way presentations on topics such as environmental recovery, human relationships, teaching and parenting, children and families.
Allow for visiting guest speakers to present on topics in harmony with God’s Principles. All presentations would be free and open to the public.
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Jesus has so much more information to share and at times I feel sad and frustrated by the great limitation that logistical requirements create in preventing him from sharing new material every week (something I know he would enjoy and many others could benefit from).
Building God’s Way Function Centres would eliminate many current difficulties and barriers to Jesus sharing Divine Truth publicly (though until there are more video and audio editors than just Jesus and I there will still be restrictions on how quickly recorded presentations can be shared via the internet. I talk more about this below).
The process of building would also offer many opportunities for groups of volunteers to come together and put the principles of God’s Way and Divine Truth into practical action.
Members discuss Function Centre logistics with building materials in the background
Jesus has worked very hard over the past few months to create a number of design options for the centre. Some of these are now available to view here: http://sync.divinetruth.com/dt/docts/2022/.
Jesus has had a lot of experience, both in the Jehovah’s Witness faith and as a property developer, designing, overseeing and taking part in the construction of auditoriums, housing developments and their additional facilities. Cornelius is a builder with over 35 years experience (not including lego). Together they are now working on finalising various details, including structural engineering, planning and building material requirements for the Function Centre. Once our requirements are finalised, and enough funds are raised to begin the project, plans will be submitted to local government for approval.
The finished facility will be the property of the not for profit, member based, God’s Way Ltd company. Jesus and I and the other members of God’s Way Ltd are donating our personal funds towards the construction of the centre. Of course we don’t currently have enough money to fund the entire build.
Members & Archie survey the site for the new Function Centre
Until now, almost all expenses of God’s Way Ltd have been paid for by Jesus and I, Catherine Spence and Eloisa Lytton Hitchins. These costs include the payment of wages, operational costs involving three large properties; the purchase and maintenance of machinery, including a bulldozer, excavator, tractors, trucks; installation of water collection and management systems; house renovations; a major shed extension; new shed builds etc. While the organisation now receives smaller donations for some programmes these are not enough to cover the total costs associated with individual projects, programmes, or the company running expenses, which include accounting, insurances, machinery maintenance and many other things.
Divine Truth Pty Ltd, a private company which Jesus and I run, pays for all operational expenses associated with Divine Truth including providing a wage for Jesus and I. We are grateful that Divine Truth Pty Ltd receives enough donations to cover these expenses and allows us to donate a limited amount to God’s Way. But at present Divine Truth Pty Ltd and God’s Way Ltd do not receive enough to fund any new development.
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God’s Way Ltd has freehold ownership of the land that the Function Centre will be built on because of the generous support of Catherine Spence and Eloisa Lytton-Hitchins who donated the funds to purchase that land. However significantly more funds than the organisation currently has (which is largely the money that Jesus and I, Catherine and Eloisa have) will be required to start and complete the building project.
If you want to donate to support this building project, you can do so now via the donation pages already provided on the Divine TruthDonate Page (note the new tab to contribute specifically to Building Projects) or God’s Way Ltd website.
When our new websites are live there will be new and simpler donation methods on the God’s Way Ltd website. In the meantime, any excess funds donated to Divine Truth will also be used to get the building project up and running.
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Of course, one off donations, and donations from single benefactors are always welcomed and assist us greatly. But if each person currently listening to Divine Truth could afford to gift $10 per month, $100,000 per month would be available, which is well beyond what we would need to not only pay all those who are full time voluntary workers, but would also be enough for us to easily complete at least the first stage of our Function Centre Power, Auditorium, Kitchen and Visitors build. At the moment, less than 1 in 100 or 1% of people listening to Divine Truth regularly donate to Divine Truth Pty Ltd, and far less regularly donate to God’s Way Ltd.
Venues in other Countries
Jesus has a passionate desire to create God’s Way Learning Centres in each continent of the world. We have been contacted over the years by a number of people living overseas who share the desire to create God’s Way Learning Centres their country.
There are a number of limitations to this happening at the moment.
The biggest problem is that most people interested in such projects are either in denial of their own true soul condition or do not want to bring their lives into harmony with Divine Truth principles, that is, to live God’s Way.
In addition, anything that becomes a God’s Way Ltd Learning Centre must be created, owned, overseen and audited by God’s Way Ltd. This is to ensure that such centres are operated in harmony with the God’s Way Ltd constitution and non profit principles.
Cornelius, Catherine, Eloisa, Mary & Jesus: God’s Way Ltd members 2022
At the moment there are very few people on Earth who truly understand in their hearts, the principles and objectives governing God’s Way Learning Centres, and what is involved in terms of personal soul development, to manage those centres.
To combat these and other limitations, we must first set up a centre in Australia which can act as an example to sincere people overseas. People who are interested in having a God’s Way Learning Centre on their continent can then visit an operational God’s Way Learning Centre in Australia to experience and learn how to run and manage such a facility. There is a great deal of education, emotional and soul progression, and love for God and people required for a person to qualify to run a God’s Way Learning Centre.
For the past five years, the five members of God’s Way Ltd have been developing the first God’s Way Learning Centre on Earth, here in Australia. They are assisted by some twenty probational volunteers. This has required spiritual, emotional, and managerial training and development which Jesus has focused his time and energy on delivering to members and volunteers since the inception of God’s Way Ltd. Without the spiritual and emotional development of individuals who wish to sincerely live in harmony with God’s Truth, and to share God’s Way with the world, no physical facility will ever have a positive impact.
We hope that the construction of a God’s Way Learning Centre here in Australia will further help to accommodate and facilitate the soul based education and growth required in individuals, locally and abroad, who sincerely want to create God’s Way Learning Centres around the world.
Sharing New Material
Jesus and I love to share everything relating to God’s Truth and its practical application. We would love to be sharing this kind of material every week, face to face and via the internet.
We do share material every week with people who are local, particularly with the volunteers working in God’s Way Ltd. We also do a lot of mediumship but most of that is unrecorded or, if recorded, takes a lot of time to edit.
At the moment Jesus and I are the only editors for Divine Truth audio and video recordings. As we are currently involved in so many other projects, we have very little time to edit. At the moment we have a bottle neck of material which we have created but has not yet been edited.
We need video and audio editors who:
are humble enough to listen and follow direct instructions
approach tasks with an attitude of self responsibility
are able to carefully, methodically and thoroughly complete tasks
personally and passionately desire to live in harmony with God’s Laws and Principles
are willing to be financially supported only by receiving gifts
are willing to live locally
have good technical experience and knowledge, or can be easily taught, or desire to teach themselves
Video and audio editing must be done locally due to the large sizes of files involved, poor internet services in our local area, the back up requirements for Divine Truth projects, and the necessity for Jesus to check and approve editors work to ensure that it meets with requirements of love, truth, quality, and transparency.
Until we have suitable editors, or we have the funds to pay the high costs of professional organisations to edit our material, we are severely limited in the amount of new material we are can share online.
Our experiments with live streaming may enable us to share more material as long as those services are ethical (no marketing or advertising) and available using our limited internet connections. More structured and organised teaching, such as Assistance Groups, can’t be shared regularly until we have either/and/or a function centre with an auditorium, some assistance with editing material, or more time to focus solely on Divine Truth projects.
Future Travel
While our priority has been local projects over the past couple of years, we would still love to travel to meet people and present more Divine Truth.
Besides giving presentations and meeting people, Jesus and I are responsible for every logistical and technical requirement of traveling and teaching. We have been thinking about ways to reduce this workload so that we can travel more often and more easily.
Our ideal would be to have a technical set up stored and ready to go when we land on each continent. This would eliminate the need to pack up our current studio and travel with large amounts of recording gear which is expensive and easily damaged or lost during travel. We could purchase and store equipment suitable for use in each country (equipment which operates in Australia is often incompatible with power and frequency requirements in other countries).
For each continent, and particularly in Europe and North America, we would like to purchase a van which we could travel in and which would house all of our technical recording equipment. We would like to have recording equipment needed for any type of venue, or even to be able to connect recording equipment to the van, and do recordings in public places and nature based environments. The equipment needed includes 8 cameras, associated cabling, sound microphones, computers, storage, power and other ancillary equipment. Jesus would standardise the equipment so that it is similar in each country. Ideally, we would also have the ability to edit the material, and upload it, while traveling.
With this set up we could visit a continent and travel in the van for a number of months and visit many places to speak. When we leave, the van could be stored somewhere ready to go for when we visit again. With this arrangement, we could easily travel for 6 months of every year.
Until we have such a set up, there are large amounts of work and costs involved in planning and undertaking any interstate or overseas trip for the purpose of teaching Divine Truth. These limitations severely affect our ability to share Divine Truth in face to face environments.
Eco Tent Renovation
In my prior update I mentioned our eco-tents. These were homes that Jesus and I loved living in for over twelve years. We preferred them to our one bedroom house. However over time they weathered and severe storms ripped them apart.
We are in the process of building new cabin-like structures in place of the tents. We plan to test innovative methods and designs which can be used on a larger scale in the God’s Way Function Centre build.
New roofs are now installed on the cabins, but nothing further has been done and the build is currently on hold due to financial constraints and Cornelius being occupied with other projects.
New Roof on one of the cabins (old eco tent)
YouTube Ads
As some of you may have noticed, YouTube has begun placing advertising on our videos. This is something beyond our control. We would never place adverts in Divine Truth material and we don’t gain any revenue from the ads that are appearing. YouTube has made changes to their Terms of Service which enable them to place the ads without consulting the creator.
There are other platforms that we could use to share Divine Truth videos but they all have problems in terms of Application Programming Interface (API), cost and/or advertising.
It has become quite difficult to supply ad free videos and maintain our ability to batch upload and name files. YouTube did allow this until they forced advertising onto our site. We have tried other platforms, such as Vimeo, but Vimeo has API limitations which we ran into, and which they do not wish to fix.
As video sharing sites now all attempt to monetise the provision of all services, we are having to look at other options that enable us to keep our videos free and ad free. We outline some of these methods in the next section.
At this stage, to create our own infrastructure which would enable thousands of people to view videos simultaneously would be quite costly. Unfortunately, we are having to pay more and more to share material for free. Many video sharing companies, due to the incessant desire for more money and greater power, are making ad free, free of cost video sharing, very difficult. Our only longer term viable option is to have a server farm which serves all Divine Truth material, connected to very fast internet connections. At the moment, this is really only possible in Europe or North America, and would require Divine Truth to own a premises. Of course, if that location could also serve as a future God’s Way Learning Centre, that would be the ideal.
Ways to Access Divine Truth Material For Free
At the moment you can download any video for free and ad free from our Divine Truth server via the options listed below. There are limitations on bandwidth which will impact how many people can use these services simultaneously.
The only way to improve these limitations would be to increase the bandwidth, and the number of servers that we have (which would mean increasing our regular business costs in Divine Truth far more than we are currently able to handle).
These are the options you currently have in order to watch any Divine Truth video for free and ad free:
Utilize the Hard Disc Drive copy service Instructions on how to do so are here: Hard Drive Copy Service
Browse the Divine Truth synchronisation server and download an individual file or video from that site You can do that here: https://sync.divinetruth.com
If you do gain a copy of all Divine Truth material via the sync service or the hard drive copy service, there are now new instructions on how to use this offline material here.
Assistance Groups Update
Understanding Sin & Its Causes Videos
Many of you are still awaiting the videos from the 2019, “Understanding Sin and Its Causes” group.
As I’ve previously shared, the audio recording problems at the group now require a great deal of editing to make them a pleasure to listen to. Jesus completes the audio edits and the task requires him to be sedentary, to make repetitive hand actions, and to concentrate intently for extended periods. I am involved in editing the video which I love. However it also involves extended periods of concentration, attention to detail and Jesus and I must work through the final phase together carefully checking various finishing details.
Last year, it was important for both of us to step away for a while, take care of ourselves, and focus on other parts of our desires that were being neglected, including our long term plans. Every day spent editing meant taking time away from all of the other things we want to achieve.
I personally wanted to deeply examine my emotions and desires for my future and the future of both Divine Truth and God’s Way organisations.
There were many local projects that Jesus wanted to give his time and attention to. These included his ongoing management of God’s Way Ltd renovations and new buildings, planning for new physical infrastructure in God’s Way Ltd (such as water collection, terrace construction and plans for the new Function Centre buildings), and his leadership of God’s Way Ltd members, managers and volunteers.
In addition, last year Jesus:
reconfigured and rebuilt our local storage servers
rebuilt our local network
maintained international servers and current sharing services
re fixed a lot of cabling required for the new network
commenced redesign of the Divine Truth website
This is the mess that Jesus now has to tidy up as a result of all that work
We will return to editing this year but as you may imagine securing or creating a venue which can eliminate the problems we had with audio recording in this group is also a top priority. That way, we will never encounter these difficulties again.
It would be great that Jesus didn’t have to sit and edit material that he has already presented! There are so many other things to occupy his time, that he needs to guide and be involved with.
Future Groups
We would love to continue to present groups in the Education in Love Assistance Group series.
As I may have mentioned previously, there is a new addition to the series. We have added a new group “Confronting Sin and Its Causes”.
The series now looks like this:
Developing My Will to Love
Developing My Loving Self
Understanding God’s Loving Laws
Understanding Sin & Its Causes
Confronting Sin & Its Causes
Removing Sin & Its Causes
Engaging God’s Loving Laws
Receiving God’s Love & Truth
Loving God
“Confronting Sin and Its Causes” will focus on the difference between understanding sin and its causes as a general concept and confronting sin and its causes within oneself. It will be a much more personal and practical group.
The material in ‘Understanding Sin & Its Causes’ is essential knowledge for participants to apply during the ‘Confronting Sin & Its Causes’ group. So we can’t present ‘Confronting Sin & Its Causes’ until we edit and output the ‘Understanding Sin & Its Causes’ group.
Until recently we have been unable to schedule this group due to COVID restrictions in Australia. But the largest limitation we have in holding the next group is our need to first complete the editing for ‘Understanding Sin & Its Causes’.
World Events
Many of you have emailed us requesting that we comment about Coronavirus, vaccines, and the various limitations and mandates associated with the pandemic. Many people sending these emails are bullies, either trying to force Jesus into a response, or trying to force Jesus into accepting their beliefs about the world. Often they are completely driven by fear of being controlled, fear of death, fear of authority, fear of others, fear of losing their “rights”, and fear of their own pain or discomfort.
I laughed when recently someone called Jesus irresponsible for stating to a local group that, keeping in mind the principles of love, truth and humility, people must make up their own minds about what they put into their bodies and what they choose to do in their personal lives. It seems to me that when it suits a person’s desire to avoid emotion, they would like a cult leader to tell everyone what to do. Many people emailing us about the pandemic have demonstrated the epitome of unloving behaviour, while they claim that everyone other than themselves is being unloving about the pandemic.
Our listeners often want us to comment on a specific world event or situation affecting them, as if new rules apply to the new situation occurring. The desire for Jesus to comment on a specific world event or situation affecting them personally, demonstrates that many of our listeners are still being completely selfish, and are very selective when listening to Divine Truth. What we teach relates to every world event, in every situation. In the broadest sense, humanity’s collective lack faith in goodness; lack of humility; lack of desire for truth; lack of feelings of equality, justice and fairness; or lack of desire to love themselves or others in a sincere manner; causes them to believe that they are not equal children of a loving God who are required by loving law to become humble, self-responsible, self actualised individuals. Hence humanity creates all of the pain and suffering on Earth and in the spirit world today.
Flowers in Wilkesdale
I will share a brief letter from Jesus specifically about coronavirus and vaccines on the blog in the next few days. But I must say that Jesus and I don’t find vaccines or coronavirus to be the most pressing or important matter facing the world at the moment, and that Jesus has barely any interest in the subject (and many around us are surprised and frustrated about that). Jesus has already taught you the truth about disease, and the part your denied emotions play in that. He has already taught you about why companies and governments are unloving, and the part your fears of pain and death, and your desire for comfort and lies, play in that.
COVID is one of many problems, and is not the largest problem by far. Compared to how many children die from abortion, miscarriage, mistreatment and malnourishment every year (around 200 million), COVID pales into insignificance. The truth is that the mistreatment of children – emotionally, physically, spiritually and sexually – is worldwide pandemic which has been raging for centuries, and which very few people seem to really sincerely care about. Besides the unloving situation regarding children, many more problems cause much more degradation of the human soul than COVID. COVID is only an effect, rather than a cause, of problems in the soul.
It strikes me that people in developed countries often don’t see a problem until their own fear or level of comfort is challenged in some way. War has torn apart Syria for over a decade now and, in that same time period, malaria and HIV Aids have taken countless lives in Africa. These are just a couple of long term examples in which pain, suffering and death are extreme realities for people on Earth every day. Yet, no one has asked us about these things. In all the time I have known Jesus I have only ever heard one person ask about plight and causes of suffering for people in less comfortable societies than themselves. This is not to diminish the pain and suffering involved in the war in Ukraine or the coronavirus. I merely wish to highlight that most people are driven by selfishness and self involvement that causes them to ignore major issues of love until the impact of these issues affects their daily lives or triggers their personal fears.
Coronavirus and vaccine mandates offer an opportunity to ‘westerners’ to highlight their personal selfishness and personal sin impacting the world around them. However most responses to COVID in the west have been to act in more fear which only compounds the problems. The world must learn that problems can only be solved by removing their causes, rather than by trying to inoculate against the effects. Vaccine opposition is often driven by as much fear and anger as taking a vaccine is.
One of the biggest problems humans face is their fear of discomfort, pain, disease and death, and their lack of understanding about the causes of death and the causes of disease.
And humans driven by the desire to avoid fear take actions to control others and to avoid truth; they don’t stand up to violent bullies or they become bullies themselves.
Because the majority of humans are now so far from a desire for love, for truth or for humility, they expect others to make their fear dissolve, and more and more events resulting in pain, suffering and destruction will continue to occur on Earth. In the future, millions, and perhaps even billions, of people will die from the environmental destruction on our planet, and from basic problems associated with water and food supply. However, for many people in the west, these issues are of minor importance because these issues do not affect them yet.
Every current world situation as an opportunity to consider:
How do my unloving desires contribute to this situation?
What unloving desires is this situation exposing in me?
Am I humble about these unloving desires?
Do I want to experience the emotions that drive my unloving desires?
What does love require me to do in this situation?
What are God’s Laws attempting to teach me in this situation?
What changes WITHIN ME would improve the situation?
Wattles bloom and give home to a spider in the Terrace Project, Function Learning Centre
Until we are willing to see our own unloving desires, and release the addictions and emotions that drive those desires, we are unable to accurately assess any situation as God would. This applies in day to day interpersonal interactions, and to global events and societal mandates. If one is serious about responding in love and becoming loving, it is essential to humbly respond to world events, remove our addictions, and heal our personal emotions that drive our unloving desires.
There is so much more to say about these matters and Jesus speaks eloquently about them. However, as I shared above, our limitation at the moment is the means to edit and share such information.
In Closing
To close, let us say this:
Beautiful things can be accomplished by being humble, truthful, and loving, and developing loving co-operation with each other. Beautiful things cannot be accomplished by expecting one person or a government to solve our problems for us.
Changes in our world will only occur when each of us realise how important and practical love is. Once we see that love is practical, we will see the importance of making it our first priority.
Placing a priority on love is essential. If we loved one another, if we lived love, the effect of arms manufacture, the effect of starvation, the effect of environmental damage, the effect of lies and manipulation of truth, the effect of COVID, the effect of companies profiting from human pain and addiction, the effect of untrustworthy government, the effect of religious, social and political oppression, the effect of child abuse, the effect of the cult of families, along with all of the effects of pain and suffering, would completely disappear – because the causes of those things would disappear.
Without each of us changing our personal condition in love, nothing in the world has the potential of changing.
Unless I see the direct relationship between what is happening in the world, and my unloving soul condition, and my lack of desire to be responsible and change that condition, nothing can or will change for the better in my world. That is and will continue to be the focus of what Jesus and I teach. Unless I personally change, and unless I have more faith, and I become more loving, more honest, more truthful and more humble, there is no option but for bad things to continue to happen in my world. My desire to break God’s Loving Laws contributes to my own pain and suffering and the pain and suffering of the world I live in. I create pain and suffering through my attitudes, my unloving desires, my addictions, my avoidance of emotions, and the decisions I make moment by moment, day by day, to remain unloving. I am participating in the creation of the unloving world I am living in.
More future turmoil is inevitable because most people refuse to love and refuse to see the practicality of love. Most people listening to Divine Truth are still in complete denial of their own unloving desires, addictions and actions.
Love, Truth and Humility are all practical and actionable concepts. When we refuse to see this in our personal lives we automatically become a part of the destruction of the world and the people in it.
Jesus and I are passionate about focusing you, the individual, on your personal choices in relation to love, truth and humility. Ask yourself:
Am I going to decide to have faith in God and God’s Way? Am I going to decide to be more humble? Am I going to decide to be more truthful? Am I going to decide to be more loving?
While I expect somebody else to do these things first, I am basically saying that I am not going to participate in positive change on the Earth.
The only way for serious problems, such as the mistreatment of children, war, disease, and environmental damage, to change, is for the attitudes within myself to change so that I am no longer driven by my fear and my addictions, but focused on being loving under all circumstances. Unless I see this, I am a participant in the continued degradation of my planet and the people on it.
Beautiful things are possible but only if we come together, and act on the practicality of love, truth and humility.
and there come the times when it hits me the pain of the lived experience the pressure of the beliefs forced into me as a kid the crazy catch 22s that I’ve lived by that cause more hurt and frustration year after year
and tears fall and that is good I want the all the pain to wash out
there is no more trying to fix it there is no more trying to make it better there is just the pain of it the simple pain. the hurt that exists. and I want to feel it because it matters.
the pain is something true about me I’ve have lived with it for so long without ever feeling it like a silent flatmate who I never got to know and eventually one night we both stay up talking until dawn and the conversation is so meaningful I wonder why we never did it before
the pain was always telling my story, to me. but I never felt it so, in a weird way, it is familiar I know it well but also, it is a stranger
the pain of all that makes everything fall into place I understand myself it connects me to me
and I can finally love myself because I know now how it all happened it finally makes sense and even if I can’t change any of it – the things that went on and the way that I feel – I finally get. it. and I know my life and I know myself
all that life I lived is clear in a moment and I know what is real
most of all,I am real my pain makes me a real-live-person not the fiction character from a worn out novel that someone else was narrating
I am full of me in a way that is good not selfish, or self involved like when I was the made-up-character avoiding her pain
no, now I am full of my own understanding now I can create, and discern, and move on now I am free
Our friend Lena passed into the spirit world on Friday morning, 19th March 2021.
Lena worked with us in Divine Truth for around 8 years. During that time she helped with video recording, video editing, office inquiries, studio cleaning and maintenance, volunteer training and equipment care and storage.
Lena is a hard worker and we are grateful for her contributions towards helping us gift Divine Truth to others. She wants others to have the opportunity to hear God’s Truth.
While Lena often finds it difficult to trust others and feel the love others have for her, over the years I came to know her and I appreciate many things about her nature and character. Some of our favourite times with Lena include when she allows her unique way of seeing the world and God’s Truth to shine through. We have often enjoyed her analogies and hearing about the particular elements of a teaching or channelling that strike a cord or create a ‘light bulb moment’ for her.
Lena is always practical, good with manual tasks, and willing to give anything new a try even if she is afraid. She has a great deal of courage about new experiences. She takes personal responsibility very seriously and is neat, tidy, and very thorough, and this continues to show through in most aspects of her life.
Jesus and I encourage Lena to express herself freely when in our company, and we really enjoy her unique personality and humour that shows through during those moments.
She has an artistic nature which was often expressed when she was editing our videos. We also see her bring her sense of style and art to almost every area of her life, including her personal artwork, her fashion, her flair for food preparation and presentation, and the way she uses decor in her home. Lena has an eye for detail and aesthetics and would often notice a problem with a camera shot or fix our hair (we don’t really notice those things). She would remember where an item of equipment was kept and she was a thoughtful gift giver, often noticing something about me and giving accordingly.
Lena’s childhood experiences growing up in Russia were difficult and triggered her courage and desire to leave Russia on her own as a teenager and experience life in other places of the world. She lived for a time in America before settling in Australia where she met and married Igor.
Lena often commented about her early experience of Russian society and the way that women are sexualized by men in their families and in general society and how women, including mothers, train their daughters to meet the sexual expectations of men. This treatment had a large impact on Lena and the development of her illness, cervical cancer.
Like all of us, before we become at-one with God, Lena has unhealed emotions and addictions. It is her avoidance of some of these addictions and emotions that created her illness. From the time we met Lena and Igor in 2010 we were always talking with them about these relationship issues and the impact not dealing with them would have on their future lives.
In 2014 Lena told us that precancerous cells had been found. Since then we have had many discussions with her and Igor about the emotional causes of cervical cancer. We talked about her suppressed anger about having to please men sexually and the childhood events that led to her belief that she had to do that. In 2017 we asked Igor to no longer work with us because we were concerned about his attitude and behaviour towards Lena and women generally. We felt he needed time away from us to decide whether he wanted to deal with those problems. At the same time we spoke with Lena about her eagerness to comply with a man’s demands and refusal to confront the man’s treatment of her even when she felt it was unloving.
In late 2018, Jesus and I asked Lena to stop working with us so that she could focus entirely on releasing these addictions and her hurt emotions. Since Igor was no longer living with her, she was attempting to enter the same addictions with other men, including Jesus, and using her work with Divine Truth to avoid the realities of her illness. We told her we were very concerned about her desire to deny and ignore emotions that continued to harm her and that were developing into major physical problems. We told her that without dealing with them properly she would die from cancer. Although reluctant, Lena saw the points that we were raising with her and made some decisions to change her life and deal more directly with her illness.
In the intervening years we have kept in touch, visited Lena and Igor at home and in hospital, and discussed the same spiritual and emotional issues with them when invited to. On Sunday 14th March 2021, 5 days prior to her passing, Lena invited us to visit again and told us that she had made the decision to pass. Her physical pain had been increasing for a long time and for many reasons she was finding it difficult to release the emotional pain that caused her physical illness.
Some of Lena’s difficulties included; blaming herself for the way others treated her, being judgemental towards herself and others, being angry about having to be truthful about others’ unloving treatment and taking action to correct it and love herself in the situation, not wanting to feel her own loneliness, not wanting to feel about how unloved she had been in her childhood, not wanting to feel her anger about men’s sexual projections and sexual demands, and using addictions and pleasing others as methods of avoiding those emotions. She was often angry at those who love her and pandering towards those who didn’t. Although none of these difficulties are any part of Lena’s nature or personality, Lena has anger, fear, and sadness relating to the issues we discussed with her, and wants to avoid experiencing and releasing these painful emotions.
Lena could see that these problems were still difficult for her to address and experience and we discussed that she would have opportunities to work through these emotions and make new choices in the spirit world. We discussed her fears and having faith about passing, having faith about God, God’s Love for her, and God’s Truth about the power of releasing painful emotion. We told her about the great deal of love available to her in the spirit world if she chooses it. We talked about the prayers of friends and efforts of spirits that can assist her now that she is there.
As Aphraar states in ‘Through the Mists’:
If some strong hand could, but for an instant, tear the veil aside, and bid the multitudes of earth behold the future as it really is, what a revelation it would be! How it would change their sighs to songs, remove all doubts of God’s eternal love, and proclaim a gospel for which all hearts are crying. It would be to earth what it is to me; I who more than once, or twice, or thrice had been cautioned that the life I led could only meet with condemnation at the bar of God; and yet I found the first words addressed to me were words of hope and encouragement – ‘I need not fear’
and in ‘The Life Elysian’:
The new life is so crowded with overwhelming surprises, so fruitful of charming distractions, so beautifully bewildering with unimagined pleasures, so tender in its diverting sympathies, that even earth’s purest conceptions are certain to be shattered and carried away, and the perfect God-design leads us gently forward into the fullness of our unanticipated joy.
Jesus feels that Lena was far too absorbed in fixing her physical symptoms rather than experiencing and taking action on her spiritual and emotional that cause her illness. I made a comment to Lena on one of our visits about how in the past I would become obsessed with a physical diet or ‘fix’ to avoid the emotional turmoil I was in at the time. She commented that she had also done this with some of the ‘therapies’ she tried in order to cure cancer. That is a good lesson which Lena was already ahead of the game in learning.
Lena came to see and continues to see lessons and truths that most people who listen to Divine Truth on Earth are still in denial of. Although Lena passed due to her physical illness, unlike many millions of humans who pass every year, she is aware of the spiritual and emotional causes of her passing and therefore we expect that in her spiritual life she will not encounter many of the difficulties that most people who pass from Earth experience.
Lena is resting quietly at the moment as her final two years of life on Earth were very exhausting and painful for her. Once she recovers some of her strength, we have made an arrangement with her to come and speak with us. We expect to continue to regularly talk to her as we do with many people who now live in the spirit world.
We love Lena and look forward to our ongoing and deepening friendship with her.
The Life Elysian
There breaks the soul from every weight away And for itself beholds and understands! In that clear dawn of life’s true morning light It turns, reviews, and then must needs accept Whate’er results from yesternight’s wild rush And feverish greed, within the robing-room of earth.
‘Tis then it learns how cherished ignorance False guide has been, and led the soul astray, Appraising tinsel at the price of gold, And teaching how base metal and true wealth were one, That, also, all the wild array of masquerade, Which fools had brought together for their revels, Were robes, insignia, orders and rewards Provided by the King, that all His sons Might dress and grace the marriage feast!
There comes the Truth, and all the false array In which we strutted forth, lordly and envied, Must then be thrown aside and left behind, As worse than useless – we have to pay their cost Ere we can forward pass. Each soul with painful rue There doffs its mantle of hypocrisy, to find Its royal lustre and its richness vanished with the night, Leaving but sign of poverty behind.
Then sighs the soul to learn its bankrupt state, For till that moment none can ever know The price it pays for such a treacherous robe, And false deceitful outfit; – We don it in expediency and haste, We doff it in the searching light of God.
Where is laid bare all bruises, scars and wounds We felt not when received in maddened rush To save the object of our choice from other hands. But in our passage to the feast we have to pause, Consider, and discharge th’ account for what we thought Was free to those who could secure and keep! And this is painful reckoning.
When this is o’er, then breaks the soul away And learns it has another role than masquerade To play on life’s eternal stage. It throws aside All relics of the brute, the savage and barbaric tastes, And making restoration with a pure repentance Steps to life’s mark clad but in freedom’s garb, With naught to weight, to hinder or retard Its course, and as a man starts on the race Which has its goal and destiny in God. ‘Tis of this race I sing, and now I bid you come And see how it is run on God’s own course – The Life Elysian!
What if we all took up telling the truth as a hobby?
What if, whether awkward and red faced or free, unabashed, we spoke in unadorned words, straight from the heart?
What if truth-telling became a skill to refine as we got deeper, more honest with self?
What if we dared be transparent and frank about all that we think, believe, and wonder and – crucially – said what we want
On Monday afternoons, at bedtime, in meetings, on dates, with the post office lady, at late summer picnics, and on the commute
What if we all made truth a pastime? More than a lofty ideal or noble pursuit what if truth became habit, so standard and common it was never in doubt?
Would this chasten the boredom, the middle age spread? Wouldn’t it heighten the crisis but also its end?
If, instead of football, or hockey, croquet or golf, in lieu of baking and YouTube and scrolling the phone, we practiced and laughed, as we built up the muscle, increasing endurance until truth was routine?
What if truth and its telling is the answer, to ending the quest for fulfillment, to “finding one’s passion” and living our best.
As I explained in my last update, in 2020 we experienced a number of technical roadblocks to completing the editing of our last event, the “Understanding Sin & It’s Causes” Assistance Group. We still have a long way to go to finish the project. So, because our life was effectively being chewed up on this one big task and the complications to completing it, this year we decided to be firmer about having more of a balanced and enjoyable life. We also want to be able to continue to share new material to hopefully encourage people who are attempting to put the principles of Divine Truth into action. This means that we will be splitting our time and focus to include not only editing and technical tasks but some new projects (see below) and much more time for our personal growth.
Purchase of new hardware
In December I mentioned that our old iMac computers, which we use for video and audio editing, were beginning to have problems. After Jesus replaced the hard drives in both machines we found that we were still encountering failures and unreliability. (Including that after completing repairs on my Mac one afternoon – which involved removing and then firmly reattaching and re-gluing the screen – Jesus returned the next morning to find the screen which had been left tilting backwards in the closed, empty studio had somehow defied the laws of gravity and lay smashed forward on my desk). Repairs and maintenance on these computers was now dominating most of Jesus’ time, meaning that not only were we not editing but we also weren’t working on other important projects. So, we decided it was time to simply purchase new computers with the intent of completing this enormous editing project as quickly and easily as possible (no matter what we do, it still won’t be quick or easy but delaying the purchase was only making the process slower and more difficult).
Our long term goal is to move away from Apple products altogether and so we had been hoping to be able to use our existing iMacs to finish the “Understanding Sin & Its Causes” edit and then make the shift to new computers and new editing software. We changed this plan when we decided the headaches and loss of work we were encountering trying to make do on the old machines weren’t worth it.
Unfortunately we are still having connectivity issues between our servers (where the raw data is stored) and the Mac computers. So, Jesus spent a lot of time over the past few months trying to repair the old iMacs, then setting up the new iMacs with the necessary software and attempting to solve the networking issue between the iMacs and servers.
The situation brought editing tasks to a complete halt once again in January and February. However this gave us some time to work on another project which we have wanted to get started for a while.
Livestreaming
Over the past month we have been working on establishing our capacity to host regular livestream events in which we can interact with listeners in real time.
This is a multi-step process which has included:
Finding a suitable streaming platform
Setting up a new YouTube account specifically to stream and store video of live events
Configuration of a new technical set up which allows us to: – stream good quality video (that is, video is captured by our stuido cameras and sent in place of usual webcam video) – stream good quality audio (use of personal microphones rather than relying on the audio captured by a PC) – capture and record a local copy of video and audio recordings during the events which can later be edited and used on our other main and clip channels
Finding a physical location with low latency internet connection, high upload speeds and sufficient bandwidth to allow for seamless transmission and interactions during regular livestreams
In January we took a trip to the Sunshine Coast for Jesus to complete a podcast interview via livestream. This gave us the impetus to start to work through the four steps I listed above. Designing and setting up a new recording system for both video and audio and gaining adequate internet connection speeds took about a week. And while we had various problems to solve in this process, the interview went ahead and we now have a skeleton plan and set up to start to host our own livestream events.
Experimenting with the new set up
This issue of an adequate internet connection from the Divine Truth studio remains an issue.
Our current home and studio set up relies on a satellite internet connection. Satellite transmissions always introduce problematic delays (due to higher latency times). This is because any feed must be transmitted from the creation point, to the satellite in space, and then back to the viewer in another location on Earth.
Those of you who made international phone calls in years gone by may remember the lag between you speaking and your speech being heard by the other person. This is the kind of delay experienced on our satellite internet connection when attempting to make video calls and which would be present if we were to use our current internet service for livestreams from home. Delays are off putting and definitely disruptive to spontaneous and free flowing dialogue.
Using mobile phone networks to access the internet provides much quicker speeds. However, as we live in a rural area with poor mobile phone coverage, we have never been able to utilize this option. However, at the moment, we are investigating improving our mobile phone coverage by installing antenna on our or a neighbouring property. If we are able to achieve this we could livestream from our home studio – which would be perfect.
In the meantime, as we work on the home internet issue, we have decided to introduce some travel so that we can start livestreaming using better internet connections in other locations.
Once there is a date for the first livestream, an announcement will be made via YouTube to subscribers on our Divine Truth Main YouTube channel.
The first event will likely be a casual update on Divine Truth with Jesus. You will be able to participate in real time by typing questions to him.
In future we would like to have themed discussions and feedback sessions in which listeners can participate and ask questions.
Despite no longer editing, Jesus has achieved a great deal these past two months. He researched and experimented with the equipment required for the new livestreaming project and worked on organising and packing cases that enabled us to transport the equipment safely. As I mentioned he set up the new iMac computers, installing necessary software etc.
He also built and is now able to run Virtual Machines on our smaller servers which weren’t being used. This enables us to use the servers for storage of recorded data while we are traveling (e.g. video and audio captured during livestream events). They can also be used as personal computers in place of the laptops we usually travel with.
Two of the servers on which he had installed virtual machines were given away. One to Eloisa and the other to Cornelius, so that they now have the ability to start creating video and audio content to share on their personal channels. (I’m excited to see how their creations go, I have an inside scoop on some of the projects in the works and I think that they will be interesting and inspiring to others).
Jesus trains Corny in his new virtual machine
Clearing the Studio
At the moment, as with a lot of things in our life, we have the opportunity to overhaul, review and redesign. This goes for the equipment, systems and practices that we have been using for years in relation to data storage, computer software, AV equipment, and recording procedures.
At the moment the floor of our main studio room looks like this:
The renovation to create a server room and Jesus’ storinator server building projects in 2020 meant that everything in the studio has been moved around and mixed up. Some of the equipment we were using has been repurposed and some is now redundant.
As we have decided to no longer switch video live during events equipment from that old set up that can now be gifted or sold. Along with that, in the studio, a lot of newly configured gear must be rehoused and various cables, screws and parts labelled and organised. In January, under Jesus’ direction, I spend time on this project but as you can see there is a lot more to do and, as we make new decisions and set up the livestreaming project, more things are added to the pile in this room.
I’ll continue to work on this project over the coming months but I do rely on Jesus precision knowledge of each piece of cable, every part, all of the equipment and the systems they fall into to guide my work. The benefit of all of the upheaval in our operations since 2019 is that I am learning a lot more about the nuts and bolts of what we use and how to use it all.
Obviously for us to start to record any content from home (livestream or otherwise) this floor needs to be cleared and our recording set up reinstated.
Before then we have so many screws to sort (see below)…
God’s Way Ltd
We continue to meet regularly with God’s Way members and various projects including terrace seeding and Caretakers’ Residence renovation construction are ongoing. If Jesus and I can find a way to have livestream events from home, we are excited that God’s Way Ltd may also be able to host seminars and Q&As via livestream as well.
Eco Tent Renovation
As I mentioned in December, we are building small cabins (designed by Jesus) to replace our worn out eco tents. We are paying Cornelius and Jadda to work on the job.
Things are taking shape!
Tristan Farewell
Tristan has set off to start his teaching degree and we held a lunch in February to wish him well on this next adventure.
It was great to hang out and play some music together.
Who knows the cord?Archie, Tris & Jesus – three of the loveliest guys
Other stuff
Jesus made time to clean out and restore one of our worm farms.
He also visited the terrace project which is looking great after some (limited) rain in January.
And he checked in on the plumbing project for the God’s Way Ltd Caretakers’ Residence renovation which he is directing (for more information about God’s Way projects check the God’s Way Ltd blog).
As for me, when not helping out in the studio, I have been spending a lot of time on my own working on some emotions which I will update about soon.
Thank you
Thank you for your donations in January and February.
I’ve been struck lately by the modern world and how there are so many intrusions and distractions competing for people’s attention. Media, social media and mobile phones seem to dominate most people’s attention a lot of the time. Divine Truth is so different from the things being ‘served up’ via these other sources. You could say that Divine Truth is ‘anti-addiction’, while those other things, for the main part, feed on and encourage people’s addictions.
Divine Truth is for truth, which most people have become completely alienated from in themselves, in their relationships, and in the world around them. Divine Truth is all about a very definite, immovable Love that most people don’t recognize as love at all. And to top that off, it is led by a couple of seemingly ordinary people (or odd, depending on who you consult), who claim to be Jesus and Mary Magdalene (identities shrouded in preconceptions, misconceptions, and myth) and who often stir up emotion and anger in others.
So, at times, I am surprised that anyone listens to Divine Truth at all, let alone donates money to have it continue to be shared on Earth. Of course, I also know that truth is ultimately appealing to every human heart and that love is attractive. But still, I thank those of you who choose to give in any way to have us continue what we do. It is a privilege and we try to spend and use what we receive wisely and well.
Notes Along The Way 